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Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .
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Originally posted by Laners View PostIt was most likely Marvin's first time on salt water , lake Michigan is pretty big but not the biggest of the Great Lakes but you do get ocean going vessels arriving in the lakes from the Atlantic via St Laurence Seaway .
It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
It was a new age...It was the end of history.
It was the year everything changed.
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Originally posted by Laners View PostIt was most likely Marvin's first time on salt water , lake Michigan is pretty big but not the biggest of the Great Lakes but you do get ocean going vessels arriving in the lakes from the Atlantic via St Laurence Seaway .'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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Originally posted by CTU View PostI'm sure flamingo has a little chuckle when ever he sees this scene from a Few Good Men
https://youtu.be/6SMp3ALALqE'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostRant accepted, if it's any consolation my first visit to DL was by sea, in a leisure boat, via the yacht club. Their showers were much better than that found aboard.
I was a frequent visitor over the years since and always liked the vibe there.
My last visit in 2018, I was shocked at the decline of the whole town. I think the decline of the Harbour contributed largely to this. That and of course Heroin.
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Originally posted by sofa View PostIt's middle class junkyville for a long time now. The end of the ferry service knocked out passing trade for the hotels, resturants and shops. No parking in the town also messed up shopping so people just head to Dundrum. Also the Naval pier the last time I was there it had a 2 meter wire fence around it's waters edge.
Town centre went seriously down hill when they opened the 2nd shopping centre (Tesco Bloomfield) in the town centre. Last time I was in the original shopping centre about half the units were vacant. Top floor is now becoming a primary care centre
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The Naval Pier got it's name , and use , as it was a trade for the removal of the Naval Buoy from the middle of the harbour. It was some evolution on the Corvette, put down a sea boat, rowing, with a Buoy Jumper, come up to the buoy, ring lifted by the buoy jumper,snap on your Buoy wire, heave up to the Buoy. Jumper (s) had to be strong swimmers. Then the ship lowered it's anchor cable, sans anchor, with a buoy shackle attached. The jumper shackled on to the buoy and he/they were recovered by boat. In the RN they climbed back up the Chain to the focsle. I would think in legal useage that pier is ours.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThe Naval Pier got it's name , and use , as it was a trade for the removal of the Naval Buoy from the middle of the harbour. It was some evolution on the Corvette, put down a sea boat, rowing, with a Buoy Jumper, come up to the buoy, ring lifted by the buoy jumper,snap on your Buoy wire, heave up to the Buoy. Jumper (s) had to be strong swimmers. Then the ship lowered it's anchor cable, sans anchor, with a buoy shackle attached. The jumper shackled on to the buoy and he/they were recovered by boat. In the RN they climbed back up the Chain to the focsle. I would think in legal useage that pier is ours.
Please.
Memories like that are precious and tell a tale of what life was like for your generation...'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins
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€13.75 million euro would build a completely new modern building 120m X 30m X 3.5stories which would include
66 two-person rooms ensuite
two common/canteen areas per 30rooms.
2 X Laundrette facilities per 30 rooms
1 X Drying rooms with 60 lockers per 30 rooms
300 seat auditorium,
80 person office spaces,
Qty 10 X 15 person classrooms,
a library bigger than DFTC library,
a weights gym three times the size of the DFPES
A canteen space bigger than NMCI's
As well as reception hallway with accomodation office, reception toilets (male/female/disabled) etc and 130 kit lockers
All this was done in another EU military base with labour costs double that of Ireland.
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Oh forgot. It was built and fitted out and put into use in less than 24 months.
The DF could literally call up the architect, order a copy and paste version of the building and put it in several barracks around the country.Last edited by TangoSierra; 1 June 2020, 15:47.
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Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post€13.75 million euro would build a completely new modern building 120m X 30m X 3.5stories which would include
66 two-person rooms ensuite
two common/canteen areas per 30rooms.
2 X Laundrette facilities per 30 rooms
1 X Drying rooms with 60 lockers per 30 rooms
300 seat auditorium,
80 person office spaces,
Qty 10 X 15 person classrooms,
a library bigger than DFTC library,
a weights gym three times the size of the DFPES
A canteen space bigger than NMCI's
As well as reception hallway with accomodation office, reception toilets (male/female/disabled) etc and 130 kit lockers
All this was done in another EU military base with labour costs double that of Ireland.
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Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post€13.75 million euro would build a completely new modern building 120m X 30m X 3.5stories which would include
66 two-person rooms ensuite
two common/canteen areas per 30rooms.
2 X Laundrette facilities per 30 rooms
1 X Drying rooms with 60 lockers per 30 rooms
300 seat auditorium,
80 person office spaces,
Qty 10 X 15 person classrooms,
a library bigger than DFTC library,
a weights gym three times the size of the DFPES
A canteen space bigger than NMCI's
As well as reception hallway with accomodation office, reception toilets (male/female/disabled) etc and 130 kit lockers
All this was done in another EU military base with labour costs double that of Ireland."Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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Originally posted by Truck Driver View PostGreat to see the relative breakdown of what you are getting for the expenditure... thanks for that....
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Is the DoD hamstrung by it's protection of historic structures? Is it reluctant to modify anything lest it face criticism for erasing history?
I was reminded of this seeing the virtual tours of various state owned buildings.
Griffith and Clancy were both absolute kips. When they were sold, lo and behold the developers were able to convert the existing structures into modern comfortable buildings. Beggars Bush, the HQ for most troops involved in dealing with the rebels in 1916, is a modern building housing the National Print museum, and in a modern building within, GSI. Dublin Castle, another relic of 1916, now houses the Revenue Commissioners amongst others. Yet they don't shiver in cells once used by the RIC. Modern office buildings stand alongside the protected structures, whose interiors have been upgraded to a modern civilised standard.
The Garda training college was a former Army Barracks, for a long time shared with a reserve unit. As soon as the GS was able to kick the DF to a quiet corner of this "historic" building, the OPW were able to turn the standard issue army accom block, same as that seen in Collins Barracks Cork (or Dublin), Athlone, Limerick or any DF property, into Bright modern offices and single accommodation.
The DoD seem to be afraid to gut a solid built structure and refit it, less they remove some historic toilet graffiti.
How long did the apprentices in Naas tolerate third world conditions in Devoy, until the facility closed, and the OPW happily bulldozed the entire place, to make room for Kildare Co Council offices.
If we removed the emotional attachment to our old buildings, could we have a better standard of accomodation? Is it time to knock the 3 and 4 story blocks built in Victorian times looking onto the parade square, and replace everything with fit for purpose offices, single accom and training rooms?
I am thinking of one historic structure, destroyed by fire in 2007 or thereabouts in Haulbowline. Block 4 used to be a storeroom for random things, as well as offices for what became the Halpin Centre. It cannot be used for anything now, as the fire damaged the structural integrity of the limestone. A steel frame now stops it from falling down. It joins other buildings in the same place destroyed by fire, where money spent maning it safe from falling over would be better spent rebuilding something identical in size and shape on the footprint, except with modern energy efficient design, and luxuries such as hot and cold running water, functioning toilets, windows that open or close and enough electrical outlets for everyone. A modern building might not cost so much on routine maintenance either.
It can be done. In the early 90s, the entirety of Married Quarters in Collins barracks Cork, along with what once were old stables that had been repurposed as workshops/offices were bulldozed, and replaced with a modern dining block, Gym and Base workshops. Unfortunately the Married quarters were never replaced but this was a local solution to the issue of overholders, which still blights the Curragh today.
The DoD and the DF are not museum curators. They should not have to work in or with buildings and equipment that belong in or as a museum. It is ironic that we have such emotional attachment to buildings that the founders of the state spent so much time trying to destroy.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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