Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Council would rather see cruise ships than naval ships occupying the vacant piers , the cruise ship idea is not likely to happen since the Council got lumbered with the harbour's debt when it was handed over from Dublin Port so maybe the Council might be interested swapping the debt for a Naval Base
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAh ok
But with a service that is finding it hard to stay operational as is ????
And I say that only as an amateur who has an interest in Naval affairs...there are many others on here who can pick my idea apart or put flesh on the bones.'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins
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Originally posted by spider View PostI'm thinking long term savings Dev...AM and others have talked about a long-term naval strategy in relation to hulls / capabilities...maybe the current basing pattern is something to look at also.
And I say that only as an amateur who has an interest in Naval affairs...there are many others on here who can pick my idea apart or put flesh on the bones.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostIncreasing the amount of bases would increase costs'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAh ok
But with a service that is finding it hard to stay operational as is ????
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Just think of the cost of living in the greater Dublin area, not to mention the availability of housing etc. We should be trying to counter-balance the growth of the greater metropolitan area. The Shannon Estuary would be a good alternative!
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Originally posted by trellheim View PostDLR were happy to turf the reserve out as well of Dun Laoghaire which has rankled with me for a very long time.
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There are certain items which need to be handled at the national level such as strategic infrastructure, ports, airports, motorways etc. But it seems that the body politic is only active at the local level. It does not matter what election it is EU, national or local it seems that all focus on local issues; the traffic lights at the end of the road, the big pothole...……. Local councils have their role to play but it should never be in managing a strategic national asset.
We have an institution called Transport Infrastructure Ireland (Bonneagar Iompair Éireann) formed out of the National Roads Authority and the Railway Procurement Agency. Already most will have spotted the big fail; it only takes care of surface transport. Given the name it should also include ports and airports. At the moment we have disjointed development and that needs to change. As for the NS, it may not need access to every harbour around the coast but it should have facilities at some key ones.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostThere are certain items which need to be handled at the national level such as strategic infrastructure, ports, airports, motorways etc. But it seems that the body politic is only active at the local level. It does not matter what election it is EU, national or local it seems that all focus on local issues; the traffic lights at the end of the road, the big pothole...……. Local councils have their role to play but it should never be in managing a strategic national asset.
We have an institution called Transport Infrastructure Ireland (Bonneagar Iompair Éireann) formed out of the National Roads Authority and the Railway Procurement Agency. Already most will have spotted the big fail; it only takes care of surface transport. Given the name it should also include ports and airports. At the moment we have disjointed development and that needs to change. As for the NS, it may not need access to every harbour around the coast but it should have facilities at some key ones.
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Originally posted by Laners View PostThe US Navy operate only one recruit training centre for the entire country , Naval Station Great Lakes , located north of Chicago on lake Michigan which makes it very central for the whole country .
Anyway, I digress, carry on...'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostDún Laoghaire would have been useful in this regard, but it's been completely handed over to the leasure boaters. A waste of a fine port, with plenty of quay space, easily secured. Surprised CIL haven't been kicked out too.
1. It has not been "handed over" to leisure boaters - the Harbour Authority (god bless them) decided to fleece sailors by building a marina with a private consortium, extinguishing hundreds of swinging moorings and forcing existing sailors to pay the most expensive mooring fees in Ireland (if not Europe) to use the new facilities.
2. They limited the options by refusing foreshore licences to at least 1 of the clubs that wished to extend their moorings to provide an alternative;
3. They then tried to extort additional money from Stena for the use of the ferry terminal and, as a result, presided over the demise of ferry services from DL for the first time in nearly 200 years.
4. They then spent huge amounts of money on a nutcase scheme to attract mega cruise liners away from Dublin port ( yes - competing with an entity 5 miles down the road) and extinguishing what remained of the swinging moorings. That failed.
5. Oh and the one real job they had , the maintenance of the infrastructure, was neglected with the result that the mailboat pier is unuseable, the Stena terminal is deserted, the bandstand had to be replaced when part of the pier fell into the sea and the terminal car park is now only used for drifting competitions and the occasional concert.
The story of DL harbour is one of neglect, incompetence and local political interference. Of course we should have a NS presence there - the section of pier beside the bandstand is still called the Navy pier locally but I don't believe it has any legal force. But that would require a degree of proactivity by the DoD - but silly me I've just realised the naïvety of that statement.
Now this mess has been inherited by DLRCC - the same outfit that destroyed the commercial heart of Dun Laoghaire. If I sound bitter it's because I grew up near DL and I have seen it decline dreadfully over the decades.
Rant over.“The nation that will insist on drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking done by cowards.”
― Thucydides
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Originally posted by Shaqra View PostOK - first a declaration of interest - I'm a recreational sailor out of Dun Laoghaire so my perspective is that of a user of the harbour.
1. It has not been "handed over" to leisure boaters - the Harbour Authority (god bless them) decided to fleece sailors by building a marina with a private consortium, extinguishing hundreds of swinging moorings and forcing existing sailors to pay the most expensive mooring fees in Ireland (if not Europe) to use the new facilities.
2. They limited the options by refusing foreshore licences to at least 1 of the clubs that wished to extend their moorings to provide an alternative;
3. They then tried to extort additional money from Stena for the use of the ferry terminal and, as a result, presided over the demise of ferry services from DL for the first time in nearly 200 years.
4. They then spent huge amounts of money on a nutcase scheme to attract mega cruise liners away from Dublin port ( yes - competing with an entity 5 miles down the road) and extinguishing what remained of the swinging moorings. That failed.
5. Oh and the one real job they had , the maintenance of the infrastructure, was neglected with the result that the mailboat pier is unuseable, the Stena terminal is deserted, the bandstand had to be replaced when part of the pier fell into the sea and the terminal car park is now only used for drifting competitions and the occasional concert.
The story of DL harbour is one of neglect, incompetence and local political interference. Of course we should have a NS presence there - the section of pier beside the bandstand is still called the Navy pier locally but I don't believe it has any legal force. But that would require a degree of proactivity by the DoD - but silly me I've just realised the naïvety of that statement.
Now this mess has been inherited by DLRCC - the same outfit that destroyed the commercial heart of Dun Laoghaire. If I sound bitter it's because I grew up near DL and I have seen it decline dreadfully over the decades.
Rant over.
I was a frequent visitor over the years since and always liked the vibe there.
My last visit in 2018, I was shocked at the decline of the whole town. I think the decline of the Harbour contributed largely to this. That and of course Heroin.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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