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  • The buildings behind the church have become very unloved of late. There was a time FORST had an office here, not sure if they still are, but I think once people move to better accom, their old building falls dormant. The product of an understaffed DF and BFW. The old water tank also (another listed ruin) commands a large footprint with zero usage. A footprint at least three times the area of any of the Vic Blocks. So, if the Air Corps can demolish all the RAF ww1 era hangard in Baldonnel and build modern hangars in their place, for operational reasons, why can't the navy do the same to it's Georgian Warehouses?
    Strangers who looked at an aerial photo of the island would assume Building 11 was the main square.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • Sure they can’t get sparks, plumbers etc to fix Accomodiation that is in active use

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      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
        Isn't Block 8 the one where it is said grain was stored, and rotted, from non use, during the Famine?
        All that is currently stored in Block 8, where will that end up? I thought the plan was to refurbish block 9, 10 or the Hospital? It's as easy to refurbish a block in a state of total disrepair as it is to do so to a building in poor repair. The problem with the one in Poor repair is you end up saving things that would otherwise have ended up in the skip long ago.
        Attached photo of 9, 10 and hospital block as seen around 2008

        edit: I note the protective roof of the centre building had been put in place between 2006 and 2008, based on other photos I have.

        As Block 8 has been out of use for approx 15 -20 years there is nothing stored inside that would be of use.

        Its contents will be removed i would imagine in the the refurb.

        Whilst this is a very positive move, the location is not ideal IMO.

        All accomodation blocks should be located together.

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        • Not so much concerned about contents as fixtures and fittings.
          Well you can't widen that door because prince albert victor carved his initials on it during the royal visit...."
          Better to start with a clean slate completely.
          Long long ago HPT and I were rummaging about the junkyard in front of Block 8.
          Amongst the junk was the original radar antennae from L.E. Deirdre. Much larger than modern standard, possibly 10foot long. P20 was gone from service at this stage.
          Such is the junk that accumulates.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
            Not so much concerned about contents as fixtures and fittings.
            Well you can't widen that door because prince albert victor carved his initials on it during the royal visit...."
            Better to start with a clean slate completely.
            Long long ago HPT and I were rummaging about the junkyard in front of Block 8.
            Amongst the junk was the original radar antennae from L.E. Deirdre. Much larger than modern standard, possibly 10foot long. P20 was gone from service at this stage.
            Such is the junk that accumulates.
            With current accommodation mostly within the eyeshot of the Guard and Guardroom, the proposed accommodation in Block 8 will be outside the normal beat and will have to add to the security tasks for the OOD. The lighting will have to be improved and jack or jill going to their accommodation will be passing an open camber, which may have to be railed to prevent falling in.

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            • If the intention is to accommodate crews of ships in refit and just that, then it is on the wrong side of the island for everything.
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • It's not that big of an island

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                • Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
                  It's not that big of an island
                  Its equally far away from everything. Except block 6.
                  It should in my ignorant opinion either be closer to the ships or closer to the mess, but further away from block 6.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                    If the intention is to accommodate crews of ships in refit and just that, then it is on the wrong side of the island for everything.
                    Not the intention to accommodate ships companies just in refit. Its to accommodate living in personnel who are posted to ships.

                    This means the only persons onboard ship after secure will be the duty watch.

                    No living in personnel resting off having to listen to pipes and chipping hammers.

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                    • If they are spending 4,400,000 then if you allow 16 sq.m per person ( Student allowance) and accommodate 70 then that gives E3859 per sq.m. which by ordinary standards is quite generous. Properly done it might have a chance of being decent.

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                      • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                        If they are spending 4,400,000 then if you allow 16 sq.m per person ( Student allowance) and accommodate 70 then that gives E3859 per sq.m. which by ordinary standards is quite generous. Properly done it might have a chance of being decent.
                        Given it's a listed building I could see that being eaten up fairly quickly, I know how much a smaller 3 story building of about the same age took to refit and repair, it has the potential to burn through money fast. Opening up any building of that age to modernise it risks finding a whole list of unexpected issues.
                        Last edited by Sparky42; 26 May 2020, 01:39.

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                        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                          Not so much concerned about contents as fixtures and fittings.
                          Well you can't widen that door because prince albert victor carved his initials on it during the royal visit...."
                          Better to start with a clean slate completely.
                          Long long ago HPT and I were rummaging about the junkyard in front of Block 8.
                          Amongst the junk was the original radar antennae from L.E. Deirdre. Much larger than modern standard, possibly 10foot long. P20 was gone from service at this stage.
                          Such is the junk that accumulates.
                          Just looking at some of the "old" pictures it seems the accumulation of "junk" has a long history:
                          https://www.facebook.com/pg/IrishNav...=page_internal

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                          • There was.some discussion about that collection of photos. The majority were taken when the National Army first took over the island, which had by then been mostly been abandoned by the Royal navy. Other photos were taken much later. By 1938 all british forces in Cork Harbour had retreated to the harbour forts, of which haulbowline was not one. The dockyard had been leased to a local scrap merchant, Haulbowline industries, who did well scrapping and converting WW1 era ships.
                            It is an interesting collection though. It shows the condition of the facility when we took it over, and you can imagine the efforts required to bring it up to a useable standard, and the costs involved at a time when we had just come out of an economic war.
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                              There was.some discussion about that collection of photos. The majority were taken when the National Army first took over the island, which had by then been mostly been abandoned by the Royal navy. Other photos were taken much later. By 1938 all british forces in Cork Harbour had retreated to the harbour forts, of which haulbowline was not one. The dockyard had been leased to a local scrap merchant, Haulbowline industries, who did well scrapping and converting WW1 era ships.
                              It is an interesting collection though. It shows the condition of the facility when we took it over, and you can imagine the efforts required to bring it up to a useable standard, and the costs involved at a time when we had just come out of an economic war.
                              We certainly had to do some tidying up. There was some work done by the unloved kids in the Construction Corps. It was interesting in the site investigation for the building of the New Officers Mess that the site was an old Island dump for domestic waste. They had to pillar and raft the foundation for the building. About Block 8 the main consideration will be the drylining and breathable insulation plus the internal ship like construction of beams, knees and pillars holding up all floors. Major rewiring and catering for modern communications, plus heating and cooling, privacy and( military term) ablutions .

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