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    What is it? (I know it's not an ambulance, after that my expertise ends :-) )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    What is it? (I know it's not an ambulance, after that my expertise ends :-) )
    Looks like a Leyland, or Landsverg, armoured car (never could tell the difference), but if you are ever at a Cavalry Open day they will both be on display.
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    Thanks. Will try, but unlikely I'd either get a trip home at the right time, or be able to get an invite!

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    its a leyland Armoured Car
    But there's no danger
    It's a professional career
    Though it could be arranged
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    We could send you to johannesburg.

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    Its Leyland Armoured Car., Should be a Ford in or around their some where..Oh I forgot, we took it back to put on display in Collins BKs

    We also have one in the curragh, difference is our one runs.

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    Not bad for a home build.These were a Leyland TerrierTruck chassis with an Armoured car type body and turret grafted on. Served up to the early 1980s , the last three with with 5th Motor ( Cavalry) Squadron in Castlebar.The fourth had been scapped in the 1960s.

    Three of the four originals still exist, One in the Curragh, One in the howth Museum and the one in Bovintongton.
    Believe it or not the First one was actually built in 1934 and all four were eventually fitted with Landsverk turrets which explains the difficulty in seperating the two types although the difference is very obvious when the two types are put side by side.

    Eventhough declared obselete in 1942 because of lack of all wheel drive they still went on to have engine replacements in 1957/58 replacing the original Leyland engine with a Ford V8. Top speed with the ford engine was 45mph.

    Note the rear hull and front end changed significantly after the refit of the ford V8 engine

    Armament varied over the years comprisng of 20mm guns and either .303 machine guns or .30 Browning machine guns ( ex Aer Corps)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    What is it? (I know it's not an ambulance, after that my expertise ends :-) )
    The sign in front of it says:

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    Nice pictures, tanks for posting

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    Extra info

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    Sorry, this is my first time posting here, I was trying to post the actual pics, not links...can anyone tell me how to, cos I have some other stuff from Bovington which might be of interest? Am uploading into Manage Attachments, but getting no further then that. I'm not very tecchie!

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    Sorry Mugs..the photo is that of a Landsverk and not a Leyland..just noticed the registration.....

    Sorry..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
    The sign in front of it says:



    Nice pictures, tanks for posting
    I did notice that when I went back... :redface:

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    The 4 Leyland Armoured Cars were made by transferring the hulls from the old Peerless Armoured Cars onto the Leyland Terrier chassis.

    The Peerless twin turrets were replaced with the same turret as on the Landsverk L60 Tank.

    The old Peerless turrets were later fitted to the Ford Mk V Armoured Cars.

    The Leylands were used by the 1st Armoured Car Squadron.
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    If you look at the back of the Landsverk above and compare it to the 1st photo of the Leyland you'll notice that they're very different. The front of the Leyland was remodelled in '57 to look similar to the Landverk and probably ease heating problems that the original design appeared to suffer from (in some photos).

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    The Leylands were used by the 1st Armoured Car Squadron
    read again my friend the leylands ended their service with 5th Motor in castler bar due to the fact the spares required to keep them running were comercialy available and they would not have been required to Return to the curragh For maintaince.

    The did spend the war years with 1st Armoured car but transferred out soon afterward

    In 1957/58 both types were refitted with Ford V8 engines so this would probably account for the increase in similarity after the conversions as with the rear decking of the AML 20 and AML 90

    Would agree, as the front rdaiator grill and the side grills were increased substantially to reflect the Landsverk type.
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    The easiest way to tell the two Armoured Cars apart is the Landsverk is Left hand drive and the Leyland is Right hand drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Border Bunny View Post
    The easiest way to tell the two Armoured Cars apart is the Landsverk is Left hand drive and the Leyland is Right hand drive.
    Was in one of them years ago and if I recall it had a second steering at the rear.?

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    Yes, but I was told that while in FCA service it was disconnected.
    "Fellow-soldiers of the Irish Republican Army, I have just received a communication from Commandant Pearse calling on us to surrender and you will agree with me that this is the hardest task we have been called upon to perform during this eventful week, but we came into this fight for Irish Independence in obedience to the commands of our higher officers and now in obedience to their wishes we must surrender. I know you would, like myself, prefer to be with our comrades who have already fallen in the fight - we, too, should rather die in this glorious struggle than submit to the enemy." Volunteer Captain Patrick Holahan to 58 of his men at North Brunswick Street, the last group of the Four Courts Garrison to surrender, Sunday 30 April 1916.

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    On a slightly different curve, anybody know which vehicles had the 20mm cannon fitted courtesy of the Air Corps (ex Seafires).
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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Was in one of them years ago and if I recall it had a second steering at the rear.?
    Yes the Landsverk had a rear driver who was allso the radio operater.
    The Leyland had no rear driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Kearns View Post
    On a slightly different curve, anybody know which vehicles had the 20mm cannon fitted courtesy of the Air Corps (ex Seafires).
    Tony K:confused:
    Im not sure about the Seafire cannons but some of the Landsverks had ex Vampire 20mm Hispano-Suiza cannons fitted replacing the Madsens.

    Its fitted in the picture of the Landsverk that htpmurphy posted above.

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    Yer man must have been straddling it.They were long guns.He must have breathed in when they fired.
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    The landsverk had the rear drivers positioned fitted and it was well removed from service by the time the FCA got their hands on them.

    The Landsverks were fitted with the HS from the T55 vampire but proved trouble some as the rate of fire was far too high for a vehicle mounted weapon and the only way to reduce the rate of fire was to interefere with the recoil as the HS like the oerlikons rate of fire was dictated and governed by recoil.

    The weapon became prone to jamming every couple of rounds and was not success full.It remains unclear why the Madsen was retained in the Leyland while replaced in the Lansverk eventhough it was obselete....which I suppose sums the whole thing up as both the cars and their weaposn were obselete by the time the conversion took place.
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    I think an Argentinian AML 90 captured in the Falklands is also on display at Bovington and the display board in front of it shows an Irish AML 90 in an urban setting! Must see if I can find the photos!

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    Sorry to be pedantic, but the 20mms were British-built Hispano, not Hispano-Suiza, which were aero engines or cars. Like the Oerlikon, they were built in American or British models and were not entirely interchangeable. The Spitfire / Seafire guns were also slightly different from the version in the Vampire.
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