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    East Timor

    Could any board members who were part of or in the know about the East Timor mission please enlighten me, I understand that it was a peace enforcement mission like Chad and all that goes with that sort of job, but I'm curious as to why any images of the DF on the ground look more like they are fighting a war than keeping the peace in contrast to the lads in Chad. What exactly were the troops tasked to do that required camo'd faces and stealthy patrols? I appreciate that this probably borders on OPSEC but any info would be great.

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    Thanks Kermit I was aware of that going by the official site, however the site also mentions platoons from various inf BNs going out too, now I'm the first to say I'm no expert but was that not unusual given the way most groups are formed?

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    There was two operations working under very different mandates and RoEs. INTERFET and UNTAET.
    One was sneaky beaky in your face, the other was hearts and minds.. in your face.
    Look up INTERFET and UNTAET
    Also, UNSC Resolution 1264.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    Thanks GF, had a look at 1264 clears up a lot, anyone have any stories from serving there?

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    Its still restricted and will be until 2019
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    Its still restricted and will be until 2019
    well then dont forget any good tales HH, I'll pm you January 1st 2019, be sure you are available for comment

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    The type of unit deployed in East Timor was a recce platoon, first done by our friends with the blacked out faces then allocated to infantry units. AFAIK they had two levels of mission Green and Blue. The Green was more agressive patrols ambushes etc. the Blue was fly the UN flag type. There was an article in An Cosaintoir a number of years ago that explained it all, maybe you can find it in their archives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    AFAIK they had two levels of mission Green and Blue. The Green was more agressive patrols ambushes etc
    Ambushes, Sounds f*ckin class never thought our lads were ever doing that sort of stuff, shows my ignorance
    Last edited by CS Gass; 3rd February 2010 at 23:54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS Gass View Post
    Thanks GF, had a look at 1264 clears up a lot, anyone have any stories from serving there?
    While having a few beers during xmas pub gathering, there was one who said his friends advice of carrying a big **** off stick in the jungle helped. A lot!
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    Can remember that Apod's boys and then Hedgie's boys followed the
    "sneaky beaky" lads out, in that order, AFAIR
    "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS Gass View Post
    Could any board members who were part of or in the know about the East Timor mission please enlighten me, I understand that it was a peace enforcement mission like Chad and all that goes with that sort of job, but I'm curious as to why any images of the DF on the ground look more like they are fighting a war than keeping the peace in contrast to the lads in Chad. What exactly were the troops tasked to do that required camo'd faces and stealthy patrols? I appreciate that this probably borders on OPSEC but any info would be great.
    Practically all that is in the public domain was that they set up OPs on the border to prevent infliltration.

    Quote Originally Posted by CS Gass View Post
    Thanks Kermit I was aware of that going by the official site, however the site also mentions platoons from various inf BNs going out too, now I'm the first to say I'm no expert but was that not unusual given the way most groups are formed?
    At the time it was.... lead unit concept, not really any more (apart from the size of the contingent).

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    2 Bn went in after the Wing- then when all was safe and finished

    the rest followed
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    It's unusual and a pity that the Govt. are so secretive about what went on during a UN sanctioned mission, in most countries any stories of the good guys giving the bad guys the good news are released

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    2 Bn went in after the Wing- then when all was safe and finished

    the rest followed
    Oh ho.... can' t wait to see what the reply from the S Bde is to that....
    "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Oh ho.... can' t wait to see what the reply from the S Bde is to that....
    When them lads get out of bed ( about 1545 in time for Maura and Shena)

    they will reply
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    Fight all ye like about what Bn from what brigade went out there.

    Some of the first out there both with the wing and with the regular gravel agitators were Navy guys.. the medic who featured on the An Post Stamp..Navy...heH..all the soldiering shite and the NS beat you to it.. the irony.

    Don't even think about the come back...same in Liberia..when the army was looking for their boots under the bed..NS were tied up along side with the ARW in tow..
    Time for another break I think......

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    Hedgie,as usual, is looking for a bite.
    Not getting one.Small point to note though for those of ye who have never taken over a camp,portlaoise or even a small toilet from our Echo hotel friends.It normally takes six months just to rectify the "good work" they have done.
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    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Hedgie,as usual, is looking for a bite.
    Not getting one.Small point to note though for those of ye who have never taken over a camp,portlaoise or even a small toilet from our Echo hotel friends.It normally takes six months just to rectify the "good work" they have done.
    sad but true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver
    As for your latter comment, what was Havoc's signature ?

    Something along the lines of:

    "Everyone else takes holidays, 2 Inf Bn take everything.... !

    Correction:

    It's

    "Vikings don't take holidays, they take everything..."

    Have to say, that's funny, on a par with "Murderbatt"
    (well OK, maybe that's a bit on the tasteless side....)
    Last edited by Truck Driver; 5th February 2010 at 16:10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Hedgie,as usual, is looking for a bite.
    Not getting one.Small point to note though for those of ye who have never taken over a camp,portlaoise or even a small toilet from our Echo hotel friends.It normally takes six months just to rectify the "good work" they have done.
    Have you only just realised that your UNits place in life is to clean the tiolets after us-

    My God man- I thought you knew this ages ago-

    and I will say it again

    2 Bn were the first Unit in Timor after the stublly boys with tight t shirts
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    Have you only just realised that your UNits place in life is to clean the tiolets after us-

    My God man- I thought you knew this ages ago-

    and I will say it again

    2 Bn were the first Unit in Timor after the stublly boys with tight t shirts

    I believe it was a reward for winning the Pln in Attack Comp.


    I have no idea how empty heads won the pln in attack comp??
    Last edited by Craghopper; 5th February 2010 at 11:09.

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    Have you only just realised that your UNits place in life is to clean the tiolets after us-

    My God man- I thought you knew this ages ago-
    LMFAO

    and I will say it again

    2 Bn were the first Unit in Timor after the stublly boys with tight t shirts
    No one EVER said they werent.
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    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craghopper View Post
    I believe it was a reward for winning the Pln in Attack Comp.


    I have no idea how empty heads won the pln in attack comp??
    I heard 2nd BN was chosen to fulfill operation human shield

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS Gass View Post
    Thanks GF, had a look at 1264 clears up a lot, anyone have any stories from serving there?
    Was only talking about this, to a friend of mine who went out as a medic, this morning. He was telling me about the sinking feeling he got when he arrived, was allowed a couple of minutes to drop his bags in his accommodation, only to be handed a Steyr and 10 full magazines and told that this was what he would be required to carry on the long range patrols. He knew then that it would not be the usual overseas trip for the medics.

    I know he visits IMO so maybe he will give us a few more tales
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    Zombie thread alert!

    Just found this on YouTube, might be of interest to anyone who went there.

    The old Digger still has a trace of his Irish accent

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqzp9xqeoug
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    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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