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  • #46
    Very good points alrite. Definitly under no circumstances should you pretend to be higher trained then you actually are. That is a recipe for disastor. Only provide treatments that you are trained to do.

    But this all comes back to PHECC recognition; during the Ambulance Skills course you are trained to do certain things at paramedic level and certain things at emt level. But because PHECC does not recognize your ability to do this, it can be interpreted as acting above the level your trained.

    Im in the Order of Malta and despite being trained to a much higher level through the DF medical school, im still only regarded as an Occupational First Aider.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by X-RayOne View Post
      also there is no good samaritan law in ireland. an off duty medic who sees an accident is under no legal obligation to render any assistance despite common misconceptions.
      They are thinking of creating one I believe.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Tipplegend View Post
        They are thinking of creating one I believe.
        And have been for last 10 + years, in other words dont hold your breath.

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        • #49
          Meh I guy can dream.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Tipplegend View Post
            I believe they are trying to change this with a Good Samaritan law, that covers you if you have been first trained and you went to the aid of someone.
            Ask and you shall receive http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...269639350.html

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            • #51
              As always the devil will be in the detail, wonder if there is a draft of the law anywhere.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Peon View Post
                Nice one, hopefully it will get passed.

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                • #53
                  Hey lads,

                  There is a huge difference between medical training and civilian certification. If you want certification then go for a civilian EMT. You will learn a little medicine but that is about it.

                  In the military we need a substantial amount of medical training geared towards the battlefield. A civilian EMT course can't even touch on what we need to know as medics.

                  Get the training that you need to save your life and to be able to treat your squad. You are not going to learn that in civilian medicine.

                  I got out after ten years serving as a Special Forces medic. What did my military certifications mean in the civilian world? Nothing. I wasn't even cpr qualified. But I could handle most of the battlefield injuries.

                  If I had pushed for paramedic qualifications in the military I would have had to give up 90% of my military medical training in order to jump through the hoops that PHECC or whatever government organisation needs.


                  Look, civilian paramedics can only prolong death long enough to get the patient to the hospital. We as military medics have the capability to provide long term healthcare in austere environments almost indefinitely. How do you equate that into civilian medicine?


                  Basically, ask yourself if you want a piece of paper or actual training.

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                  • #54
                    Paramedics in Dublin have been seeing more "Battlefield casualties" than any other medical trained bods on this Island in the last number of years and they do more that just prolong death. From what buddies of mine told me, they done a lot on their 3 star medics, and comparing that to my Paramedic course, its fairly in depth, add to that the 12lead course and Phlebotomy (taking blood, i cant spell!!) and with that cannulation, there is a fair argument to be had that the theory side at least can rival at least some of the NQEMT-P course, the problem as stated in a previous post is PHECC want lots of clinical exposure, ambo and hosp placements. I know in the UK armed forces, in particular the SAR unit, crewmen did a course through( COSARM http://www.cosarm.org.uk/ ) and this is considerably shorter than a Paramedic course a UK NHS paramedic does but they can still get HPC registration (UK version of PHECC)

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                    • #55
                      [QUOTE=Its a pity the Wilderness EMT course isnt open to the RDF yet, we'd love to do it.[/QUOTE]

                      Have you looked into options offered by the Wilderness First Responder course? Even the REC4 will give you a lot of medical training.

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                      • #56
                        Would it be reasonable to assume that it is beneficial to a medic to actually do what he is trained to do......ie medical shit. Alot of these skill sets that are talked about, once aquired, need to be maintained and practiced. The DF medics really dont get oportunity to practice their skills. not much battlefield TRAUMA in Bricins or the curragh. Civy paramedics dont 'specialise' and cant pick and choose who or what to treat......so you take it as it comes..paeds..trauma..medical whatever. All the pissin and whinin about PHECC wont do this and that.....they only set the bar height its up to you to get over it.....If the combat medics are that good then all the non trauma(Plumbing) stuff shouldnt be a problem to them.....how come the army isnt represented on the PHECC.......

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                        • #57
                          So, is the winding down of LBD still on for the end of this year ?

                          As it stands, it was granted a 12 month stay of execution, compared to the
                          other posts which were slated for closure, which are closed since end of Jan 2010...
                          "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Tipplegend View Post
                            Nice one, hopefully it will get passed.
                            http://www.independent.ie/national-n...n-2316858.html
                            I went into an Italian restaurant and ordered dessert and they gave me tiramisu and a blindfolded horse and I said No, I said mask a pony (mascarpone)

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