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Originally posted by trellheim View Postexperience shows no new wind lol
The first test will be the Commission on Defence, it's ToR and who is will be part of it. If it a serious effort then one thing I would not expect is to order an EPV, start a RFI process maybe but no order next year.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostRome was not built in a day!
The first test will be the Commission on Defence, it's ToR and who is will be part of it. If it a serious effort then one thing I would not expect is to order an EPV, start a RFI process maybe but no order next year.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostThe RFI has already been done, over 10 years ago. We should be at RFT now.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostThe RFI has already been done, over 10 years ago. We should be at RFT now.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostAssuming an RFT is in the offing, we must not in one fell swoop kill off the chance of a versatile vessel. Providing for 12 trainees on such a ship is short sighted giving that a class of recruits or L/rates is 25/35. I would provide for 25 trainees and austere accommodation for required amounts of mil personnel in transit, with required catering and plumbing for all. The ship should be able to commonly berth unaided and steer well at slowest speeds.
Normal full time crew keep the cabin standard we have become used to on the P50 and P60.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostThe RFI for the original EPV was done 10 years ago and some of the companies have changed considerably TKMS for one. Plus one would hope that the output of the fact findings that has since gone on will be also taken into account in defining the new specifications. So a new RFI and and then RFP would be needed.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostDo you need a new RFI? Surely the last process identified what is available on the market, and the RFT would permit a builder to design and build to fit a more specified criteria than that seen on the RFP.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostDo you need a new RFI? Surely the last process identified what is available on the market, and the RFT would permit a builder to design and build to fit a more specified criteria than that seen on the RFP.
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostGiven how long it's been since the RFI, surely the market has changed a good bit since then?For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostDo you need a new RFI? Surely the last process identified what is available on the market, and the RFT would permit a builder to design and build to fit a more specified criteria than that seen on the RFP.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostSo has it gone to tender?
It would be quite contemptible to tender it at this stage given the manpower crisis and that half the fleet is tied up.
Money needs to be invested in a genuine personnel retention package, accommodation and whatever else is needed to bring the numbers back up to a healthy level before any new ship is ordered. When P64 entered service two ships had to be tied up to crew it and things have gotten worse since then.
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Originally posted by Rhodes View PostNo still in planning.
It would be quite contemptible to tender it at this stage given the manpower crisis and that half the fleet is tied up.
Money needs to be invested in a genuine personnel retention package, accommodation and whatever else is needed to bring the numbers back up to a healthy level before any new ship is ordered. When P64 entered service two ships had to be tied up to crew it and things have gotten worse since then.
You cannot put off major equipment purchases in future because of events happening today. If you do, and on reaching 2025, realise you have the crew, but hey, Eithne can't go to sea because of her hull/machinery being past it, then it will take you 5 years without any capability before you get it back, and another 5 years to get it up to operational again.
Did the Air Corps decide to put off replacing the Casa because of Pilot shortages? Likewise for the Cessna 172!
When Eithne was built, the NS was also short of crew, it held a huge recruiting campaign, and took on 100 extra ratings before the ship entered service. These people were able to fill vacancies on other ships to allow experienced crew to go aboard and bring the ship into service. Some of P64's crew were it's crew a year before it even left Appledore! The idea of a helicopter capable Naval vessel in Irish service was actually a useful recruiting tool at the time.
To use the phrase from a movie, "If you build it they will come".For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostWholeheartedly disagree. This is a long term plan. This is planning for something which will happen in 5 years time, whether the staffing shortage was there or not, the inevitable retirement of L.E. Eithne, the last ship built in the state.
You cannot put off major equipment purchases in future because of events happening today. If you do, and on reaching 2025, realise you have the crew, but hey, Eithne can't go to sea because of her hull/machinery being past it, then it will take you 5 years without any capability before you get it back, and another 5 years to get it up to operational again.
Did the Air Corps decide to put off replacing the Casa because of Pilot shortages? Likewise for the Cessna 172!
When Eithne was built, the NS was also short of crew, it held a huge recruiting campaign, and took on 100 extra ratings before the ship entered service. These people were able to fill vacancies on other ships to allow experienced crew to go aboard and bring the ship into service. Some of P64's crew were it's crew a year before it even left Appledore! The idea of a helicopter capable Naval vessel in Irish service was actually a useful recruiting tool at the time.
To use the phrase from a movie, "If you build it they will come".
The perfect answer..... ????????
Saved me loads of typing
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