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  • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    From last September. Much has happened since.
    Indeed, including the October 2020 Fire on NIAMH and the prolonged rebirth of ROISIN. The only commitment to new build is the replacement of EITHNE with an MRV. The two Peacocks replacements are on the TO DO list but could be offset by the proposed Irish Sea 50m vessels. The next step is to leave recruiting to Military Staffs and select by availability and Medical classifications. Also Vaccinate all recruits in training.

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    • Chile orders Vard 7 series MRV


      Vard Marine Inc. has been awarded the contract to design an Amphibious and Military Transport Vessel for the Chilean Navy by ASMAR Shipbuilding & Ship Repair Company.

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      • Interesting. The side ramps seem bigger than the original, and would love to see how the well deck would work out.
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
          Interesting. The side ramps seem bigger than the original, and would love to see how the well deck would work out.
          Most interesting given the intended area of operations and overall concept of use including accent on multirole.

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          • Wonder what the price tag is for it, could give us an idea in terms of what we've "budgeted" for.

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            • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
              Wonder what the price tag is for it, could give us an idea in terms of what we've "budgeted" for.
              Given that this one has the inclusion of a well deck its design and cost will prob be higher.

              Also the normal Irish save a few bob routine by building to civilian standards may lower it to meet our budget.

              If the RN can get a 140m Type 31 frigate for £250m then our €200m proposed budget should easily get us an 120-130m MRV.

              VARD designed both the P50s and P60 along with the RNZN OPVs and the USCG OPCs currently in build.

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              • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
                Given that this one has the inclusion of a well deck its design and cost will prob be higher.

                Also the normal Irish save a few bob routine by building to civilian standards may lower it to meet our budget.

                If the RN can get a 140m Type 31 frigate for £250m then our €200m proposed budget should easily get us an 120-130m MRV.

                VARD designed both the P50s and P60 along with the RNZN OPVs and the USCG OPCs currently in build.
                Hulls built on Lloyd's Rules will be stronger than that built in an exclusive Naval Only yard. The cost arrives when you want the ship to take a hit and require military shock mounting standards for most equipment, plus high grade Government required equipment such as armament, missiles, CMS etc. In any case such hulls can last with care 40 plus years.

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                • Depending on how you read it, this sounds positive.
                  The replacement of the flagship LÉ Eithne with a multi role vessel (MRV) is the next scheduled component of the White Paper fleet investment programme. Projects for other vessel replacement will be considered over the life-time of the White Paper in the context of overall capability development and funding and the Equipment Development Plan (EDP) process. The EDP outlines that the MRV project is in the planning ongoing stage with an indicative timeframe for progression from the current year through to 2024.
                  Defence Forces Equipment Dáil Éireann Debate, Thursday - 28 January 2021


                  So does that mean the planning will be finished by 2024, or the ship will be delivered by 2024?
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                    Depending on how you read it, this sounds positive.

                    Defence Forces Equipment Dáil Éireann Debate, Thursday - 28 January 2021


                    So does that mean the planning will be finished by 2024, or the ship will be delivered by 2024?
                    The Equipment Development Plan runs until 2024. There is unlikely to be any advancement within that time due to four ships being tied up.

                    With the eyes on a move to a certain landlocked overseas mission, its time to invest the money on whats badly needed, a tactical airlift aircraft. Any such aircraft would carry out more missions in a year than any supposed MRV ship in its lifetime.

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                    • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                      The Equipment Development Plan runs until 2024. There is unlikely to be any advancement within that time due to four ships being tied up.

                      With the eyes on a move to a certain landlocked overseas mission, its time to invest the money on whats badly needed, a tactical airlift aircraft. Any such aircraft would carry out more missions in a year than any supposed MRV ship in its lifetime.

                      The project is proceeding.

                      The MRV is not being built to purely deliver equipment overseas hence the Multi Role part of the name.

                      Why can't we have both MRV and tactical airlift?.

                      Four ships are not tied up, P31 & P41 only are in operational reserve with P52 commencing half life refit.

                      P51 due to start trials this quarter back to operations.

                      We are an island nation which most people tend to forget.

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                      • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                        The Equipment Development Plan runs until 2024. There is unlikely to be any advancement within that time due to four ships being tied up.

                        With the eyes on a move to a certain landlocked overseas mission, its time to invest the money on whats badly needed, a tactical airlift aircraft. Any such aircraft would carry out more missions in a year than any supposed MRV ship in its lifetime.
                        Because all the vehicles you need for the overseas mission to this land locked place will be driven from Ireland to the AO.
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
                          The project is proceeding.

                          The MRV is not being built to purely deliver equipment overseas hence the Multi Role part of the name.

                          Why can't we have both MRV and tactical airlift?.

                          Four ships are not tied up, P31 & P41 only are in operational reserve with P52 commencing half life refit.

                          P51 due to start trials this quarter back to operations.

                          We are an island nation which most people tend to forget.
                          P42 to join P31 & P41 very shortly. P52 to remain at sea until all the P51 post-refit gremlins are sorted out, then straight into her refit, returning somewhere in 2022.

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                          • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
                            The project is proceeding.

                            The MRV is not being built to purely deliver equipment overseas hence the Multi Role part of the name.

                            Why can't we have both MRV and tactical airlift?.

                            Four ships are not tied up, P31 & P41 only are in operational reserve with P52 commencing half life refit.

                            P51 due to start trials this quarter back to operations.

                            We are an island nation which most people tend to forget.
                            The project is in planning this 20 years. It's proposed to be an XXL OPV with "freight carrying capacity" to support overseas missions. All OPV's are multi-role.
                            In an ideal world, there should be both a tactical airlift aircraft and an amphibious ship, but in the real world, funding will only be made available for just about one.
                            There are four ships tied up. A decision is going to be made on where to find the crew for P51 before the spring gand its likely to be from P42.
                            Last edited by Rhodes; 5 February 2021, 00:11.

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                            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                              Because all the vehicles you need for the overseas mission to this land locked place will be driven from Ireland to the AO.
                              Which will be on a very large Ro-Ro ship.

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                              • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                                The project is in planning this 20 years. It's proposed to be an XXL OPV with "freight carrying capacity" to support overseas missions. All OPV's are multi-role.
                                In an ideal world, there should be both a tactical airlift aircraft and an amphibious ship, but in the real world, funding will only be made available for just about enough for one.
                                There are four ships tied up. A decision is going to be made on where to find the crew for P51 before the spring gand its likely to be from P42.
                                There is a crew on P51 already.

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