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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Britannia Maritime is really just a concept that they are trying to crowd fund.

    The MRV could potentially spend a lot of time with trainees aboard
    Britannia Maritime Aid is more than that with a Chairman Capt K Slade and backed by Cammell Laird who produced a presentation for International Shipping Week in 2019 on the 135m Ro-Pax vessel. The Concept has the backing of the British parliament and two former Sea lords including Admiral Alan West. Our MRV will certainly be ideal for a substantial training role for all Services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Britannia Maritime Aid is more than that with a Chairman Capt K Slade and backed by Cammell Laird who produced a presentation for International Shipping Week in 2019 on the 135m Ro-Pax vessel. The Concept has the backing of the British parliament and two former Sea lords including Admiral Alan West. Our MRV will certainly be ideal for a substantial training role for all Services.
    Getting the backing of Parliament, whether thet be the Commons, Lords or Select Committee, unfortunately does not mean it will be successful, especially if they go back to Westminster looking for funds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTU View Post
    Getting the backing of Parliament, whether thet be the Commons, Lords or Select Committee, unfortunately does not mean it will be successful, especially if they go back to Westminster looking for funds.
    True. Most support is from the Upper house led by Alan West. However the actual build of NSMV's by the US and the using them as a training source for those following a seagoing career is interesting and another use for our MRV, especially in an all services role.

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    Department of Defence targets new €200m, multi-purpose naval ship

    The Department of Defence has confirmed it intends to proceed with purchasing a new Multi-Role Vessel (MRV) for the Naval Service, which could be used as a hospital ship and would be capable of carrying troops and helicopters for amphibious and airborne landings.
    Rest at the link

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/a...medium=twitter

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    So has it gone to tender?
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    So has it gone to tender?
    From what they in DOD say they are awaiting tender returns to gauge a final overall cost. They expect a ship around 2025, hopefully berthage and homeport is established in the meantime. Training for the roles will be a big part for PDF components. Whatever about length, the final length should be in proportion to a breadth of 20m or so. Best of luck with everything, a great asset for in fleet logistics. The RN have returned to Mediterranean with Albion and a Bay logs ship in support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    So has it gone to tender?
    No the requirements are still being worked out by the project team

    I would imagine the specs will be a lot more detailed than the EPV tender

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    From what they in DOD say they are awaiting tender returns to gauge a final overall cost. They expect a ship around 2025, hopefully berthage and homeport is established in the meantime. Training for the roles will be a big part for PDF components. Whatever about length, the final length should be in proportion to a breadth of 20m or so. Best of luck with everything, a great asset for in fleet logistics. The RN have returned to Mediterranean with Albion and a Bay logs ship in support.

    B2 OPV HMS Trent also operating in the Med with Operation Sea Guardian.

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    I know my 2 cents mean SFA in this but I think it should have a helo deck etc even if we don't initially have a helo for it, if only to allow other forces birds to be accommodated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocinante View Post
    I know my 2 cents mean SFA in this but I think it should have a helo deck etc even if we don't initially have a helo for it, if only to allow other forces birds to be accommodated.
    That has been the plan for it since the beginning!.

    The specs in the original RFI:


    Appendix B Con/195/2006
    Statement of Requirement EPV
    Length 130 – 140M
    Beam 16-20 m
    Draft 4.0- 5.0 m

    Max Speed 22-26 Kts Cruise Speed 15 Kts Loiter Speed 0 – 8 Kts

    Range 8,500 nm Endurance 24 days

    Propulsion Diesel, Diesel Electric, DE Hybrid,
    Power Generation Diesel Generators, Shaft Alternator, PTO/PTI

    Communications HF, VHF, UHF, GMDSS, SAT
    Radars Navigation and Air Defence
    Stabilisation Active and Passive

    Flight Deck 1 Spot for a 10 metric tonne helicopter

    Medical LEVEL 11, for 2 pers.

    Accommodation Crew + 12 trainees.

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    any hangar for the bird ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    any hangar for the bird ?

    No plan for that.

    That would only be required if a Naval helo was to be embarked on a permanent basis.

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    “ Whilst this ship will not carry a helicopter, it will be enabled for helicopter operations” as per White Paper 2015

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    A lot has happened in the past 14 years, even in the past 5 years since WP15, let's see what the new wind in the DoD brings.

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    A lot has happened in the past 14 years, even in the past 5 years since WP15, let's see what the new wind in the DoD brings.
    experience shows no new wind lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    A lot has happened in the past 14 years, even in the past 5 years since WP15, let's see what the new wind in the DoD brings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    experience shows no new wind lol
    Rome was not built in a day!

    The first test will be the Commission on Defence, it's ToR and who is will be part of it. If it a serious effort then one thing I would not expect is to order an EPV, start a RFI process maybe but no order next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Rome was not built in a day!

    The first test will be the Commission on Defence, it's ToR and who is will be part of it. If it a serious effort then one thing I would not expect is to order an EPV, start a RFI process maybe but no order next year.
    The RFI has already been done, over 10 years ago. We should be at RFT now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    The RFI has already been done, over 10 years ago. We should be at RFT now.
    The RFI for the original EPV was done 10 years ago and some of the companies have changed considerably TKMS for one. Plus one would hope that the output of the fact findings that has since gone on will be also taken into account in defining the new specifications. So a new RFI and and then RFP would be needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    The RFI has already been done, over 10 years ago. We should be at RFT now.
    Assuming an RFT is in the offing, we must not in one fell swoop kill off the chance of a versatile vessel. Providing for 12 trainees on such a ship is short sighted giving that a class of recruits or L/rates is 25/35. I would provide for 25 trainees and austere accommodation for required amounts of mil personnel in transit, with required catering and plumbing for all. The ship should be able to commonly berth unaided and steer well at slowest speeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Assuming an RFT is in the offing, we must not in one fell swoop kill off the chance of a versatile vessel. Providing for 12 trainees on such a ship is short sighted giving that a class of recruits or L/rates is 25/35. I would provide for 25 trainees and austere accommodation for required amounts of mil personnel in transit, with required catering and plumbing for all. The ship should be able to commonly berth unaided and steer well at slowest speeds.
    If you had temp accom spaces similar to what is found on the Peacocks, you could house trainees, or deployed troops in a relatively small area. Not ideal for long term, but fine for short trips or overseas excursions.
    Normal full time crew keep the cabin standard we have become used to on the P50 and P60.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    The RFI for the original EPV was done 10 years ago and some of the companies have changed considerably TKMS for one. Plus one would hope that the output of the fact findings that has since gone on will be also taken into account in defining the new specifications. So a new RFI and and then RFP would be needed.
    Do you need a new RFI? Surely the last process identified what is available on the market, and the RFT would permit a builder to design and build to fit a more specified criteria than that seen on the RFP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Do you need a new RFI? Surely the last process identified what is available on the market, and the RFT would permit a builder to design and build to fit a more specified criteria than that seen on the RFP.
    What is available has changed greatly, as will the cost

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    What is available has changed greatly, as will the cost
    That's what the RFT is for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Do you need a new RFI? Surely the last process identified what is available on the market, and the RFT would permit a builder to design and build to fit a more specified criteria than that seen on the RFP.
    Given how long it's been since the RFI, surely the market has changed a good bit since then?

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