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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Given the number of body bags that the Bons in Cork alone ordered, I'd say they would have been concerns even about space. I know from one of the undertakers that they ordered 500 bags at the start of the lockdown, I can only imagine what the major public hospitals in Cork were planning for.
    I worked on RESCRIPT, we were planning for 500,000 fatalities in 4 months. At no stage did we consider usiing the freezers on HM ships - not least because getting a frozen body out of the storerooms of a warship would be, at the least, problematic. We just hired/built massive refrigerated warehouses.

    A couple had room for 10,000 each - it was not time to be arseing about with room for three stiffs behind the frozen peas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    We just hired/built massive refrigerated warehouses.
    No disrespect but your comment makes it sound like this provision has just been acquired/made available

    Not so

    In my (UK) experience pandemic and associated planning at a central government level was in place in 1979 and before

    Later as thoughts of building nuclear proof bunkers faded resources were identified and reserved by local authorities i.e. warehouse freezers - quite often their BAU purpose was associated with the meat trade

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    If they did end up dealing with that kind of mass casualty count, Ropebag is right - temporary mortuaries on board a Navy ship is not the way to go - you need somewhere with large Refrigerated storage space, easy access, and ideally, privacy.

    What’s needed is somewhere like a sports stadium with temporary Marston mats to provide hard standing and all weather access, with refrigerator trucks and standby generators. Probably something that the state should prepare, with the DoD or Civil Defence keeping / using them.

    Edit to add: Sorry, forgot this wasn’t the Covid thread
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    So these refrigerated Warehouses Were lying empty??

    Or were they to be put in with frozen veg?

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    Refrigerator trucks, not warehouses. (Edit ; I hadn’t seen Ropebags post)

    And I’m sure the two ice-rinks in Dublin featured in somebody’s contingency plan.

    Either way, the point stands that the flight deck of a ship is not something that should be considered, except as a very last resort. If refrigerator units have to be loaded onto it, just leave them dockside and mount a guard on them. Easier and better access, from every point of view.
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    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    So these refrigerated Warehouses Were lying empty??

    Or were they to be put in with frozen veg?
    Of course, you are right I made it up .......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    Refrigerator trucks, not warehouses. (Edit ; I hadn’t seen Ropebags post)

    And I’m sure the two ice-rinks in Dublin featured in somebody’s contingency plan.

    Either way, the point stands that the flight deck of a ship is not something that should be considered, except as a very last resort. If refrigerator units have to be loaded onto it, just leave them dockside and mount a guard on them. Easier and better access, from every point of view.
    A 400 capacity mortuary was build in Dublin and one in Limerick so is it posable the ship was a collection point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    Refrigerator trucks, not warehouses. (Edit ; I hadn’t seen Ropebags post)

    And I’m sure the two ice-rinks in Dublin featured in somebody’s contingency plan.

    Either way, the point stands that the flight deck of a ship is not something that should be considered, except as a very last resort. If refrigerator units have to be loaded onto it, just leave them dockside and mount a guard on them. Easier and better access, from every point of view.
    The Flight deck of a ship is a space that has spots for refrigerated containers, and a power source to keep them running. You saw the fuss in the US when it was discovered that bodies were being stored in U-Haul fridge trailers around the back of a morgue.
    The Cork city Morgue is not well located to deal with high volumes of clientele.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Of course, you are right I made it up .......
    I’m not suggesting that I’m questioning how there was idle warehousing never mind refrigerated

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    In the UK, because of Brexit, there isn't a refrigerated warehouse available for the next 2 years. All he pharma companies are block booking them to store short life essential medicines, in the event of a no deal brexit.
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    The Plans that Orion is talking about would probably have been around in some form before the European Steel and Coal community was formed and are probably based on a worst case scenario (total break down of law and order).

    Where were the NHS Nightingale Hospitals built, in large Exhibition Centres, and let's not forget that every year there are Temporary Ice Rinks in most large towns in the UK at Christmas time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    In the UK, because of Brexit, there isn't a refrigerated warehouse available for the next 2 years. All he pharma companies are block booking them to store short life essential medicines, in the event of a no deal brexit.
    Exactly and a lot of that inventory is now gone due to covid by the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Exactly and a lot of that inventory is now gone due to covid by the way
    I had a comment somewhere about the HSE's appalling use proposal for P31. I note that COLD MOVE IRELAND claim they have capacity available for storage of 15,000 pallet spaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    I had a comment somewhere about the HSE's appalling use proposal for P31. I note that COLD MOVE IRELAND claim they have capacity available for storage of 15,000 pallet spaces.
    That is their capacity not their available capacity

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    That is their capacity not their available capacity
    COLD MOVES stated capacity was given as 35,000 pallets and they claim availability of 15,000. However they are not the only ones such as Carrigtwohill and RathCormack and many more throughout Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    COLD MOVES stated capacity was given as 35,000 pallets and they claim availability of 15,000. However they are not the only ones such as Carrigtwohill and RathCormack and many more throughout Ireland.
    They claim to have 35,000 pallet capacity of which 15,000 are temp controlled. The rest is ambient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    A 400 capacity mortuary was build in Dublin and one in Limerick so is it posable the ship was a collection point?
    Where were they built, never saw that posted anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batterysgt View Post
    Where were they built, never saw that posted anywhere.
    Royal Hospital Kilmainham and Sarsfield Bks Limerick - in the public domain

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    Quote Originally Posted by batterysgt View Post
    Where were they built, never saw that posted anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Royal Hospital Kilmainham and Sarsfield Bks Limerick - in the public domain
    I saw the news article online with photos .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laners View Post
    I saw the news article online with photos .
    Our Military Commanders should not agree to the use of operational military units or barracks as mortuaries . There is no need for it , and creates a disrespectful ethic/attitude towards the PDF and those that serve it.

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    I think you are being a bit precious now.
    It was an international emergency, plans for worst.case scenarios have to be made. P31 was doing nothing else. If anything it got her out of the basin, instead of rotting away tied up before inevitable retirement, as happened to Setanta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    I think you are being a bit precious now.
    It was an international emergency, plans for worst.case scenarios have to be made. P31 was doing nothing else. If anything it got her out of the basin, instead of rotting away tied up before inevitable retirement, as happened to Setanta.
    No objection to use of P31 as implemented but certainly not as a static morgue. Nothing rots if it is maintained like USS Constitution, HMS KELLY etc. You have to choose to let anything rot. The USN had 50 year old ships in use and ships older than P31 in frontline action.

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