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  • #91
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    • #92
      do we have enough crew for her so? I thought there was a manpower shortage in the service at the moment
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      • #93
        I think the second hand stuff has been ruled out.
        The above mentioned US vessel is older than the last vessel disposed of by the Irish Naval service, and a lot less modern in equipment. To convert it,as the Aussies did to a vessel which had not been lying rusting at anchor since 1996,would cost as much as a newbuild.


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        • #94
          Originally posted by Stoker
          Based on what Irish sea ferry built in Holland?

          The Multi Role Vessel (MRV)



          The MRV is contracted-out to Merwede Shipyard in the Netherlands, but will be sailed to NZ or Australia for final fit-out. The MRV should be delivered to the RNZN in late 2006.
          Tenix's MRV as a design based on a commercial Ro-Ro ship, BEN-MY-CHREE in operation in the Irish Sea. Tenix's existing facilities could handle building the ship, but the Dutch yard offered the best use of the facilities available in order to get the ship to the RNZN as soon as possible.

          The MRV will have diesel-electric propulsion and a max speed of 19 knots. The MRV is intended to provide a sealift capability for the transport and deployment of equipment, vehicles and personnel, and to be capable of transferring cargo and personnel ashore when port facilities are not available.

          Displacement: 8000 tonnes
          Length overall: 131 metres
          Beam: 23.4 metres
          Speed: 19 knots


          Complement: Core ship's company: 53
          Flight personnel: 10
          Government agencies: 4
          Army ship's staff: 7
          Trainees: 35
          Troops: 250
          Total: 360


          Propulsion: Diesel engines

          Flight deck: Space for two helicopters

          Helo
          The NH90 helicopter has been selected to replace the RNZAF's Iroquois utility helicopters. It will be able to operate from the MRV carrying Army equipment from the ship to shore.



          More details on Ben-My-Chree
          Interestingly,the original Ben-My-Chree was used as a troopship during WW2.


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          • #95
            Goldie, would the MRV be your personel choice for a new ship, if you had to choose?
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            • #96
              Originally posted by mutter nutter
              Goldie, would the MRV be your personel choice for a new ship, if you had to choose?
              If you mean the Kiwi MRV,No. Its size is excessive for a vessel which would spend the majority of its time engaged in duties it was not designed for,ie routine Patrol.
              Its fine for the Kiwis,as they have a large section of the pacific to look after,and have a requirement for a ship to bring their own military vehicles between the islands in their own nation,so a ferry type makes sense. The convenience of Stern and Side loading ramps on the hull is outweighed by the extra maintenance these occasionally used features will require.

              The Meko 200 MRV to me is more suitable,as it is designed,to quote Blohm and Voss
              as a long range, high endurance cutter with the enhanced flexibility to operate as a true Multi-Role Vessel "MRV" with additional mission capabilities
              which would be similar to the role Eithne is currently carrying out.
              In addition,MEKO ships are far more adaptable in the long term should mid life equipment refits be required.

              I assume the Meko designs were aimed at the Kiwi Project Protector plan. The Meko 100 OPV is worthy of consideration for future vessels also,but thats another topic.


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              • #97
                Right On Goldie. Good analysis, correct conclusion. Of course something larger and more capable would be nice, but a MEKO 200 would be excellent return for the expenditure, is sustainable from every perspective and would adequately satisfy NS outstanding requirments. I say order one ASAP and definetely keep the 100 design in mind for subsequent requirements.

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                • #98
                  Is the MEKO 200 (ANZAC Frigate etc.) not designed to full naval standards with all the associated extra costs that this apparently brings?

                  Both the Danish and the NZ ships are supposed to be designed to commercial/civil standards in order to save costs are they not?

                  Even taking into account the above a fleet of MEKO 100s and 200(s) would be nice though, although I thought that the "100" design was beaten by the Roisin design for the OPV?

                  IAS

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                  • #99
                    The Meko 200 MRV is not the Anzac frigate. The only feature they share is the designing Dockyard.(Blohm and Voss). the MEKO system refers to a method of construction,rather than a design class.

                    What do you mean by "naval standards"?


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                    • Golide I think ias confused the Meko 200 frigate with the Meko 200 MRV
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                      • Normally in systems designations, the, in this instance, "200" means that both vessels are based on the same design.

                        IAS

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                        • You would think that, But in reality,Blohm and Voss have their own ideas. Perhaps(and I am guessing here) the "200" only relates to the Hull design(the ship other than the superstructure)?
                          The Meko principle is that each vessel can be adapted to the customers specifications either during construction or any time after,with little difficulty. Normally this would entail drydocking the vessel and cutting large holes in the hull to remove and replace equipment,but the Meko system allows this kind of refit in the same way a container ship is loaded and unloaded.

                          The Australian Naval website has a great little tool to explain how this is done.


                          Meanwhile for comparison, The Meko 200 Frigate(above) and the Meko 200 MRV




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                          • Originally posted by Goldie fish
                            If you mean the Kiwi MRV,No. Its size is excessive for a vessel which would spend the majority of its time engaged in duties it was not designed for,ie routine Patrol.
                            Its fine for the Kiwis,as they have a large section of the pacific to look after,and have a requirement for a ship to bring their own military vehicles between the islands in their own nation,so a ferry type makes sense. The convenience of Stern and Side loading ramps on the hull is outweighed by the extra maintenance these occasionally used features will require.

                            The pro's of this class are that if a humanitarian disaster were to occur, the vessel could be used for quickly delivering supplies to the stricken zone and this type of role would be easier to justify to the tree huggers and left wingers.

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                            • The Meko vessel could do the exact same job.


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                              • GF, according to the B+V website the MRV is the same length as the SAN A-200 Corvette/Frigate and weights 3,900 tonnes, compared to 3,200 for the South African vessel and the Australian/NZ MEKO 200, the ANZAC Frigate is slightly smaller, 117 m compared to 121 m and weights 3,500 tonnes.

                                IAS
                                Last edited by ias; 4 August 2005, 22:54.

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