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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The annual Naval revue which was a powerpoint type conference on what was done, and a glimpse of future developments , was binned this year. There was an address by FOCNS instead to the "troops" in the drill shed. It seems a singularity of matters is emerging.
    The MRV will probably emerge at some stage and hopefully match aspirations. Thinking about the LCVP requirement/operation , I think there should be two that are davit operated ( two point mounted) and similar to the RN LCVP Mk.5. The acquisition should be up to 6 to allow for training and carrying an extra for special missions. The ship should additionally have a fixed crane to match intended lifts to the Mk.5 and also have ramp discharge/loading bays for in port mobile units/cargoes.
    That address was possibly a “townhall” (corporate speak for meeting where everyone available is given a chance to listen to a presentation and with time for Q&A)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    That address was possibly a “townhall” (corporate speak for meeting where everyone available is given a chance to listen to a presentation and with time for Q&A)

    No, it was the annual Christmas address with no Q&A.

    Just a promotion ceremony at the conclusion for a SNCO.

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    “Project planning is ongoing for the acquisition of a multi-role vessel to replace the Naval Service flagship LE Eithne. This is in pre-appraisal phase and the exact cost will not be known until the specification of requirements have been defined and the competition goes to the market.“

    https://assets.gov.ie/45752/ef45839e...14e7c2bbe.xlsm

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    “Project planning is ongoing for the acquisition of a multi-role vessel to replace the Naval Service flagship LE Eithne. This is in pre-appraisal phase and the exact cost will not be known until the specification of requirements have been defined and the competition goes to the market.“

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    In planning and outline specifications the following matters will need attention. Bridge design and clear unobstructed view for watchkeepers. Take up tonnage and ability to take on ballast while underweigh at sea. Ability to RAS outwards to other ships from both sides, including fuel. Ability to fuel Helicopters, Hot or cold refuel and/or in flight. Cranes sufficient to self load or discharge deck cargo. Means to handle all personnel/vehicles movements off or onto the ship alongside or at sea. Fitted spaces for HQ duties/ HADR. etc.

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    Well Arrowhead needs an export customer for it to be viable. Someone has to be first, and the NS has a good relationship with Babcock.
    Who is gonna come in with a better offer.
    We did flag some time back that the (Danish) design did, to a certain extent fulfil the minimum criteria for a Blue/Green-EPV-MRV. Obviously not as envisaged for the RN, but in the other proposed versions, like a smaller Absalon (which is what the Iver Huitfeldt is) with it's flex deck, but not as much in the way of missiles and extra cannon.
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    Is this what is being talked about?
    https://www.babcockinternational.com...arrowhead-140/

    Cause it isn’t really what the DF want

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Is this what is being talked about?
    https://www.babcockinternational.com...arrowhead-140/

    Cause it isn’t really what the DF want
    Yeah that's what they are trying to plug, I'm not surprised that the UK is trying to get some interest in them but yeah I don't think this is something the NS want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    like a smaller Absalon (which is what the Iver Huitfeldt is) with it's flex deck, but not as much in the way of missiles and extra cannon.
    Nope. same hull, one less deck.

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    One less deck = smaller ?
    My point being the Arrowhead is based on this design, the dimensions of which fit the original proposals.
    Last edited by na grohmiti; 4th February 2020 at 08:58.
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    This hull design is for a Frigate profile with certain flexibility for undefined roles. There would be a lot of "Fitted For" electronics to allow role changes and the consequent smart crew would have to be up-to-date to slot into the role-of-the-day. Nightmare stuff. Our need is for the vessel to be commissioned with all roles in situ and all hardware/software present. The ship will need a period of work up, with friends ,to be qualified in roles ,and train all crew+spares. Hopefully the ship will be fitted out fully afloat at all tides.The ship depicted doesnt look capable of being an MRV.

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    Now that would be a fantastic increase in capability.
    183m Long
    25.9m broad,
    8.62m Draft.
    Crew of just 43, with space for up to 116 additional.
    However her introduction into service has been interesting, with the Koreans cutting a few corners, ant the Norwegians using every minute of her 12 month warranty work up period to find all the problems.
    It is based on the BMT Aegir design and can carry Approx 8,000 cubic metres of cargo fuel,200 tonnes of cargo munitions, 300 tonnes of aviation fuel,Up to 40 TEU container.
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    When even the US Marines are looking for something "smaller" than their current Amphibs, though with the US Navy/Marines who knows what they mean when they say "smaller".
    https://www.military.com/daily-news/...s-warship.html

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    The USN never realy replaced their old LSTs like for like. Their current amphibs are mostly lightly armed large floating targets that require the protection of escorts. They make a huge scene wherever they arrive, due to their immense size.
    The Newport LST were just under 600feet LOA, 70 foot broad, and could beach on shallow water to unload their vehicles.
    The Whidbey Island class are slightly larger, but due for retirement also with no replacement in sight. (SLEP to see first of class serve until 2027).
    Main thing is their big flat tops require lots of space to operate, and this isnt always available. Slightly smaller ship in the 600 foot range could give them more options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    The USN never realy replaced their old LSTs like for like. Their current amphibs are mostly lightly armed large floating targets that require the protection of escorts. They make a huge scene wherever they arrive, due to their immense size.
    The Newport LST were just under 600feet LOA, 70 foot broad, and could beach on shallow water to unload their vehicles.
    The Whidbey Island class are slightly larger, but due for retirement also with no replacement in sight. (SLEP to see first of class serve until 2027).
    Main thing is their big flat tops require lots of space to operate, and this isnt always available. Slightly smaller ship in the 600 foot range could give them more options.
    The USMC and Navy see the need for many ships and mention deployments of assets to LCS and frigate sized ships. They are probably joining the interest in EPVs and the emerging problems in the Pacific region, if not soon but certainly in the next 30 years.

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    Seems the USN has had enough of their LCS ships and is starting next year to get rid of the first four with more to follow as the FFG(X) come online.
    Two Freedom class for free would not be too bad!!
    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...l-combat-ships

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Seems the USN has had enough of their LCS ships and is starting next year to get rid of the first four with more to follow as the FFG(X) come online.
    Two Freedom class for free would not be too bad!!
    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...l-combat-ships
    Jesus no. Do you want to bankrupt the DF? Those things should be Sinkexed or scrapped.

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    So much synthetic materials there they probably wouldn't sink, no matter how many holes you put in them.
    The LCS plan was a very expensive mistake. A cutter type vessel would have provided the same capability. Unfortunately the USN procurement is tied into the defence industry that is all about money and jobs. They hoped for export orders to spread the R&d cost. Only the Saudis took the bait.
    Hopefully FFG(X) will put to bed once and for all this LCS nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Seems the USN has had enough of their LCS ships and is starting next year to get rid of the first four with more to follow as the FFG(X) come online.
    Two Freedom class for free would not be too bad!!
    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...l-combat-ships
    You want to be tossed around in a planing hull in the Atlantic? Be my guest ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    You want to be tossed around in a planing hull in the Atlantic? Be my guest ...
    You would be best to analyse what the Uniforms are saying about their needs to project force over the next few decades. They want many amphibious ships but smaller than the current size within the US Fleet. In a discussion with shipbuilders and designers the Commandant General of the Marines sees Marines deployed on Littoral Combat ships of the Day. Maybe different to current LCS design but the overall thrust was for a 350 ship Navy and within it smaller ships, fewer large CVN's, and to NOT include unmanned assets in the count.

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    I could see some beancounter designating every torpedo a "Single use unmanned underwater drone with the ability to distroy selected targets in an asynchronious mannner" or some such, and claiming a 10 000 craft navy...
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Wonder if anything interesting came from this?
    https://twitter.com/peproche/status/1232628586131132417

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    Indeed.
    Lots of difficult questions being asked at this event.
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    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Indeed.
    Lots of difficult questions being asked at this event.
    Past time we have such events like this, hopefully it will become a regular thing.

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