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  • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    I'm not saying there isn't relevance in your proposal, however it seems to me from Defence sites an assembled unit to take two standard POL trucks, side by side, and two medium tracked units, also side by side, needs a bow and articulated unit plus about 10 or so mexeflotes plus a stern unit with engines giving an overall dimension of around 40mx12.4mx1.54m. Preassembled units have been mounted externally on ships, one each side , even if we went for the smallest size of 22m x 7.5m it would need a high level of handling equipment especially for recovery , tipping, and securing to ships side. In any event their use would have to be included in outline proposal specifications for the ship.
    The smallest Mexeflote (22x7.5m) is made of 15 segments, 3 for aft, 6 for bow and 6 for the centre. Then comes the 2 drive units and cab normally mounted to the aft units. In this configuration it has a 60t capacity and a weight of around 50t.

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    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
      Aqua dock?
      Definitely seen something that looks like it in pics

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      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
        Definitely seen something that looks like it in pics
        If you look at " A Mexeflote from Mounts Bay in the Caribbean " it gives a full impression of its loading ability and the degree of assembly needed, unless it was pre-attached to the after flank of the ship. The float as depicted is 3 units wide and about 10 units long. The tracked vehicle on the starboard side has tracks about 2m wide, seems to be designed for boggy ground . There are 6 crew ( hard hats ) and a driver for each tractor all wearing lifejackets--AND it is calm. MEXE comes from Mechanical Engineers Experimental unit.
        Last edited by ancientmariner; 3 December 2019, 10:46.

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        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
          If you look at " A Mexeflote from Mounts Bay in the Caribbean " it gives a full impression of its loading ability and the degree of assembly needed, unless it was pre-attached to the after flank of the ship. The float as depicted is 3 units wide and about 10 units long. The tracked vehicle on the starboard side has tracks about 2m wide, seems to be designed for boggy ground . There are 6 crew ( hard hats ) and a driver for each tractor all wearing lifejackets--AND it is calm. MEXE comes from Mechanical Engineers Experimental unit.
          Yes and completely different from what the DF has

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          • It appears the term has crept into colloquial use, in the same way as "hoover", "jeep" or "searider". Clearly now, we see that mexeflote is a much more substantial and bulky structure than other modular rafts used for this purpose.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • I concur on the doubts regarding stability and stack height. As regards armamamnet, rather than Marlin, can we have the 40mm CTA Rapid SeaGuardian please? https://www.edrmagazine.eu/navdex-20...val-gun-system

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              • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                I concur on the doubts regarding stability and stack height. As regards armamamnet, rather than Marlin, can we have the 40mm CTA Rapid SeaGuardian please? https://www.edrmagazine.eu/navdex-20...val-gun-system
                The overall need for ship defence is an ability to detect early and deal with it as far from own ship as possible. The more difficult targets are incoming sea skimmers which require more than a single gun. The main gun is needed for conventional targets afloat and ashore , however missiles must be dealt with before 2000m and need a ciws weapon type either a multi-barrelled gun or a multi , fire and forget, missile system . Most navies have Phalanx or Goalkeeper and some are trialling a launcher with 21 mach 3 missiles. In our case 25/30mm guns with a co-mounted missile system would deal with low intensity threats and as a back up to main armament.

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                • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                  The overall need for ship defence is an ability to detect early and deal with it as far from own ship as possible. The more difficult targets are incoming sea skimmers which require more than a single gun. The main gun is needed for conventional targets afloat and ashore , however missiles must be dealt with before 2000m and need a ciws weapon type either a multi-barrelled gun or a multi , fire and forget, missile system . Most navies have Phalanx or Goalkeeper and some are trialling a launcher with 21 mach 3 missiles. In our case 25/30mm guns with a co-mounted missile system would deal with low intensity threats and as a back up to main armament.
                  The first problem here is a decent radar, without it CIWS and missiles are useless. I can't see the NS buying either any time soon. It would be nice if the EPV had good SIGINT and COMINT capability. Can't see that happening either :(

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                  • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                    The first problem here is a decent radar, without it CIWS and missiles are useless. I can't see the NS buying either any time soon. It would be nice if the EPV had good SIGINT and COMINT capability. Can't see that happening either :(
                    Of course. You need a cohort of officers and NCO's with a predictive mindset, researching and identifying outfits to meet requirements both nationally and in the adjacent European theatre. The shopping list MUST come from the professional service man. The initiative has to be sustained or we remain a force requiring peace time tasks only. We are PESCO signatories.

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                    • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                      Of course. You need a cohort of officers and NCO's with a predictive mindset, researching and identifying outfits to meet requirements both nationally and in the adjacent European theatre. The shopping list MUST come from the professional service man. The initiative has to be sustained or we remain a force requiring peace time tasks only. We are PESCO signatories.
                      And a DoD that actually wants armed forces

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                      • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                        And a DoD that actually wants armed forces
                        Keep hitting them with the approved White Paper.

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                        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                          Keep hitting them with the approved White Paper.
                          They need more shredding?

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                          • I would say the conversation would go something like this:

                            DoD SG: “I’ll just say, ‘The Minister has asked me to thank you for your letter’ and something like ‘The matter is under consideration’, or even ‘under active consideration’.”

                            Junior Minister: “What’s the difference?”

                            DoD SG: “Well, ‘under consideration’ means we’ve lost the file, ‘under active consideration’ means we’re trying to find it.”
                            It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
                            It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
                            It was a new age...It was the end of history.
                            It was the year everything changed.

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                            • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                              Keep hitting them with the approved White Paper.
                              Do you have a hardback version?

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                              • Iv'e heard that the new printer comes with a built in shredder .
                                Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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