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  • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
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    The blurb is very much for Danish consumption. NATO commanders are well aware of what ships can do based on their outfit and speed. The Absalon, Snare, Huitfeldt, Willemoes and Juels are all similar hulls. Adding the towed array is to give a " Long Range " detection, and I presume a commonality to all ships. Their ship off the Horn of Africa was very effective and credited with the largest bag of Pirates apprehended and also functioned as a command ship. Now it is a Role change and a big training commitment. Lucky for them they have the technical prowess to stitch their hardware, software, and simulation together. We dumped our TAS simulator and AA training Dome and went totally live fire training for all MG and HMG training. All Danish concern lies around their commitment to the 5th Largest MN Fleet in the world of 700 ships +. The Danish Fleet Commanding officer is aware of the need to monitor submarine traffic in their sea areas. We on the other hand live in the middle of the submarine operations area for the western hemisphere and stand somewhat helpless.
    Last edited by ancientmariner; 20 October 2020, 10:37.

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    • I am guessing that the LCP on the Absalon will be replaced with a containerised TAS which means that the vessels can switch roles easily. Same would go for the MH-60R's which can still be exchanged for AW-101's should the need arise.

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      • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
        The blurb is very much for Danish consumption. NATO commanders are well aware of what ships can do based on their outfit and speed. The Absalon, Snare, Huitfeldt, Willemoes and Juels are all similar hulls. Adding the towed array is to give a " Long Range " detection, and I presume a commonality to all ships. Their ship off the Horn of Africa was very effective and credited with the largest bag of Pirates apprehended and also functioned as a command ship. Now it is a Role change and a big training commitment. Lucky for them they have the technical prowess to stitch their hardware, software, and simulation together. We dumped our TAS simulator and AA training Dome and went totally live fire training for all MG and HMG training. All Danish concern lies around their commitment to the 5th Largest MN Fleet in the world of 700 ships +. The Danish Fleet Commanding officer is aware of the need to monitor submarine traffic in their sea areas. We on the other hand live in the middle of the submarine operations area for the western hemisphere and stand somewhat helpless.
        There is still an AA simulator in Haulbowline, last time I was there. Standard HMG naval mount, on a gimballed deck, with a screen showing a variety of aerial and surface targets.
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        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
          There is still an AA simulator in Haulbowline, last time I was there. Standard HMG naval mount, on a gimballed deck, with a screen showing a variety of aerial and surface targets.
          That looks the right configuration for 12.5 caliber training. Like to see it tidied up and ship shape. presume it has an instructors consul and a variety of targets and weather scenarios. The Remada type allows for 8 target types . The dome allowed for diving targets, a generated cartwheel 300kt sight, sound effects etc.

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          • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
            That looks the right configuration for 12.5 caliber training. Like to see it tidied up and ship shape. presume it has an instructors consul and a variety of targets and weather scenarios. The Remada type allows for 8 target types . The dome allowed for diving targets, a generated cartwheel 300kt sight, sound effects etc.
            Others here are better qualified to comment in that regard. The Instructors console was out of shot, and he/she could add conditions and targets, and provide the normal instruction on bearing as one would expect to find aboard ship. The photo was taken at the end of an open day for civvies like myself.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
              Others here are better qualified to comment in that regard. The Instructors console was out of shot, and he/she could add conditions and targets, and provide the normal instruction on bearing as one would expect to find aboard ship. The photo was taken at the end of an open day for civvies like myself.
              Tks for that.

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              • Relevant Thread over on Air Corps > No Role for the Air Corps says Minister for Defence in SAR

                You may want to follow/comment there regarding SAR Role for Air Corps and it's utility in helping generate deployable Helo capability for HADR/Peace Support

                Originally posted by The Usual Suspect View Post


                Flying in Ireland 25/10/20: Full Article

                Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                I'd repur[ose 5 of the AW 139 to Air Ambulance, buy some Cougars/EHI-01/S-92 for maritime SAR and then some choppers (NH90?) for the role the 139s are currently fulfilling, but with plans and option for forward deployment in UN missions
                Would think the minimum change scenario the Air Corps and DoD should have been interested in would be 6/7 S-92s for SAR, leaving 2 available for HADR/Peace Support deployment with/without the Navy's new EPV. Would be suprised if this concept was not at least broached, given current alignment between Defence & Foreign Affairs. We can debate the finer detail, but surely if synergies between DFA and DoD are not to be seized and driven now, then when?

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                • Posting without comment.

                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • Originally posted by The Usual Suspect View Post
                    Relevant Thread over on Air Corps > No Role for the Air Corps says Minister for Defence in SAR

                    You may want to follow/comment there regarding SAR Role for Air Corps and it's utility in helping generate deployable Helo capability for HADR/Peace Support
                    Here we go again. Expediency over rules the normal peacetime roles of our Air and naval units. Irrespective of doing, or being responsible for any part of SAR it is incumbent for operators of Helicopters to have the capability to assist in emergencies both ashore in all environments and at sea in all weathers. If a cruise liner with 4000+ on board hits Arklow bank will the Air Corps sit on the ground or aid the CHC. When selecting equipment of any type surely it must meet all possible roles of an Island Nation and it's voluntary overseas deployments. Acquisition of new craft should not change our roles and obligations rather they should be acquired to enhance those roles and maintain a continuity of capability.

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                    • Relevant to EPV Roles: ROK Navy Took Delivery Of First-Ever Dedicated Training Ship



                      Naval News 27/10/20: Full Article

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                      • [QUOTE=The Usual Suspect;481768]Relevant to EPV Roles: ROK Navy Took Delivery Of First-Ever Dedicated Training Ship

                        The Koreans have a high level of skill in major shipbuilding and the class of vessel built HADR/Training / logistics is not too difficult. Obviouslly usage and size of training capacity is a factor. Naval ship training is probably as high as 80% on-the-job with much mentoring input and testing. There is every good reason to man temporarily decommissioned units as a static training facility with a view to taking her to sea when everyone is fledged to do so. A running training ship would be useful but must have all of the elements required within the fleet. Giving our size a class capability up to 100 trainees, in place of a company sized military unit, might be adequate for training/ field days/demonstrations.

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                        • Originally posted by The Usual Suspect View Post
                          Relevant to EPV Roles: ROK Navy Took Delivery Of First-Ever Dedicated Training Ship



                          Naval News 27/10/20: Full Article
                          It is a fine ship, even if it would not fit our EPV need the lack of such a vessel in many of the smaller EU navies could present an opportunity for co-operation on the procurement and use of such a vessel. Us together with the Finns, Swedes and maybe the Portuguese might be a constellation that could work.

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                          • We have neither need nor use for a ship with training as a primary function.
                            None.
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                              We have neither need nor use for a ship with training as a primary function.
                              None.
                              I would not write the concept off but rather a three vessel group, similar to " Archer " class to properly train young ratings/officers in shipboard operations and handling. Don't know of any Navies without a seaborne training element.

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                              • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                                I would not write the concept off but rather a three vessel group, similar to " Archer " class to properly train young ratings/officers in shipboard operations and handling. Don't know of any Navies without a seaborne training element.
                                There are things other navies have that we don't have that are a far higher priority than training vessels. The Archer is mostly used to train reserve officers from the University units. Everyone else trains their crew on the job. Otherwise you are just tying up badly needed staff for training and support for the training ship. Our cadets used to spend time on Creidne and Tailte. That's good enough.
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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