So we can only deploy as part of an EU Battlegroup if the Russians and Chinese say we can. Why would any Battlegroup want us in it as we have to ask the UN and not the EU if we can go and play. The Triple lock can be kept but amended to UN Security Council and or EU Parliament Resolution.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostSo we can only deploy as part of an EU Battlegroup if the Russians and Chinese say we can. Why would any Battlegroup want us in it as we have to ask the UN and not the EU if we can go and play. The Triple lock can be kept but amended to UN Security Council and or EU Parliament Resolution.
Ask the U.K. in 2016
Ask the Germans in 2012 & 2016
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Originally posted by Graylion View PostFor now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAsk the Nordics in 2008, 2011 and 2015
Ask the U.K. in 2016
Ask the Germans in 2012 & 2016
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostIt is one thing to be part of a training, but if the call comes to deploy a EUBG of which we are part and there is no UN SC resolution then we will get left behind. If next year to support the peace process in Ukraine the EU decides to deploy the EUBG as a buffer force with the co-operation of the government of the Ukraine but Russia objects in the UNSC then we will not be deployed.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostEU Battlegroups have been around for 12 years (not just ones with Irish involvement) Lots of violence around the world. Deployments zero. Serious proposals for deployment zero. Discussion of possible deployment 1'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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Originally posted by Flamingo View PostAnother conclusion to draw from that is that if the EU battle group gets deployed, then the excrement will really be hitting the fan, and that’s not the kind of time to be starting to have the debate about should Ireland get its hands dirty or not. That decision needs to have been made beforehand.
Each country in the Battlegroup(s) that is on standby have the right to refuse to deploy Their troops on a particular operation
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Originally posted by DeV View PostYou realise that in order for a EU Battlegroup to be deployed there needs to be an unanimous decision of the European Union (all EU Heads of State have to agree to it (not sure if Denmark is included)).
Each country in the Battlegroup(s) that is on standby have the right to refuse to deploy Their troops on a particular operation
Let’s face it, the EU is made up of like minded economically linked democracies all of whom voluntarily joined. Why are they seen as somehow incapable of providing objective oversight when the de-facto dictatorships of Russia and China (in their guise as permanent members of the Security Council) are somehow seen by the Irish government as honest brokers with a veto?
It is an issue that does need to be addressed.'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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Originally posted by DeV View PostYou realise that in order for a EU Battlegroup to be deployed there needs to be an unanimous decision of the European Union (all EU Heads of State have to agree to it (not sure if Denmark is included)).
Each country in the Battlegroup(s) that is on standby have the right to refuse to deploy Their troops on a particular operation
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostYes I am aware and it needs the full council approval, that includes Denmark. By the way it is not all the Heads of State, our President does not sit on the council, nor does the Queen. Apart from that the point is that within Europe all others can decide only we need to get Russia, China et al to agree.
Originally posted by Graylion View PostDoes anybody know why we switched battle groups?
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostYes I am aware and it needs the full council approval, that includes Denmark. By the way it is not all the Heads of State, our President does not sit on the council, nor does the Queen. Apart from that the point is that within Europe all others can decide only we need to get Russia, China et al to agree.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostIn the UN Article 51 has been used unashamedly to chastise warring groups within UN nations, mainly to keep somebody in power, that cannot be dislodged politically. The veto is used by Security Council members to prevent negative action to their side . Since we were chair ( RYAN ) of UN Security Council at the outbreak of the preemptive action in Afghanistan surely, with that first hand experience, having them overseeing any action we wish to take in consort with the EU, is neither wise or needed but is a dilution of our sovereignty. Inversely, behind the posturing,our mandarins are aware of our military fragility which they oversee and are controlling and maybe they don't want blood on their hands.
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