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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostFor now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostYou may not be aware but US law requires that all Defence manufacture, even of initial foreign concept and design, must be manufactured in the USA. Major weapon manufacture of a weapon must have all it's component parts manufactured at the same factory. For example the USCG Dauphin had to be manufacture in the USA and was fitted with American engines.
The MH-65 helicopters were assembled in the US, but with the exception of the engines and avionics the aircraft was made in France. There are other programs which are similar: C-27J, M-28, C-23A etc. They take a pragmatic approach, one a project has sufficient volume they want local production, but for smaller amount they buy direct.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostNot exactly.
The MH-65 helicopters were assembled in the US, but with the exception of the engines and avionics the aircraft was made in France. There are other programs which are similar: C-27J, M-28, C-23A etc. They take a pragmatic approach, one a project has sufficient volume they want local production, but for smaller amount they buy direct.
The HC144 Ocean Sentry (Casa CN235) from Airbus is an example. USCG bought 16 of them, all built in Spain. Some of them transited through Baldonnel on delivery flight.
The remaining that were ment to be purchased were cancelled when the USAF donated 14 CJ27 Spartans that were put directly into storage upon delivery. The USCG saved 800m by converting those aircraft.
The maintenance costs over the lifecycle of the CJ27 is double of a HC144.........
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A bit of a gamechanger in the MRV/EPV world today.
The Template of this particular type, the ship that opened up the concept, almost 15 years ago, was just re-designated a Frigate in Danish Service.
!! The "support ship" Esbern Snare, formerly L17, is being re-numbered as frigate F342. Presumably leadship Absalon L16 will be F341.
— Timothy Choi (@TimDotChoi) October 7, 2020
Unexpected for me, but would make implementing any defence plans that call for "frigates" more streamlined (e.g. frigate deployment to Arctic) https://t.co/M9xTnyUASVFor now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostNot exactly.
The MH-65 helicopters were assembled in the US, but with the exception of the engines and avionics the aircraft was made in France. There are other programs which are similar: C-27J, M-28, C-23A etc. They take a pragmatic approach, one a project has sufficient volume they want local production, but for smaller amount they buy direct.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostTo do any of what you outline Airbus had to set up EADS North America to co-ord the 144's production with 2000 employees and 1.2billion USD capital. The avionics packages were American designed. The 144's have reached 100,000 hours of flying recently celebrated by USCG and Airbus.
All the 18 HC-144A Ocean Sentry aircraft were built in Seville, then flown to the US for the Lockheed Palletised Mission System to be added with Airbus Group Inc. acting as the prime contractor.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostAirbus did not set-up EADS North America for the HC-144. It was set-up by Aérospatiale for local assembly of helicopters taking over from Vought Helicopter in 1976. Since then it has expanded to 2,000 employees and a turnover of $1,200m which now included the assembly of the H145's and A320/321/220's as well as numerous other space and defence projects.
All the 18 HC-144A Ocean Sentry aircraft were built in Seville, then flown to the US for the Lockheed Palletised Mission System to be added with Airbus Group Inc. acting as the prime contractor.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThe point was that in order to do business in USA you have to become a US company, use as much US equipment and processes as possible. This has given Airbus Inc. a foothold into the Defence market with large production facilities augmented by takeovers such as RACAL. There is some comment that Aerospatiale had an interest in Vought since 1969 as they celebrated being 50 years in North America recently.
https://www.vought.org/special/html/shelicopter.html
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3 Nice clips from NZ demonstrating exactly what their MRV (Now designated an LSL it seems) was built to do. (Caution:Annoying loud music in 1st clip)
Last edited by na grohmiti; 11 October 2020, 20:19.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post3 Nice clips from NZ demonstrating exactly what their MRV (Now designated an LSL it seems) was built to do. (Caution:Annoying loud music in 1st clip)
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Landing Ship Logistics is the Canterbury's official designation. The original MRV designation was a political fiction as the vessel only had a logistics role and not any ability to effectively be used as an Ocean patrol vessel like its namesake which it replaced.
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Originally posted by Anzac View PostLanding Ship Logistics is the Canterbury's official designation. The original MRV designation was a political fiction as the vessel only had a logistics role and not any ability to effectively be used as an Ocean patrol vessel like its namesake which it replaced.
We'll know soon enough.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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I would not get too hung up about designations, an LPD is also SSV or even an ATD and any other designation that an office junkie can think up. A frigate in one mans navy is a destroyer in another, or even SSV (Small Surface Vessel). Designation have developed to try and describe in a few words the primary mission of a vessel. Destroyers started out as "Torpedo Boat Destroyers" , that is a long way from what a DDG is today!. And an acronym can have many meanings even in the same organisation.
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