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An AOR is a tanker with some limited replacement capability. It is designed as a tanker with fuel tanks and a double hull. Their prime purpose is the refueling and resupply of ships at sea.
Even the new HNoMS Maud is a AOR even if sometimes it is referred to as a LSV.
http://www.bmtdsl.co.uk/bmt-design-p...pport-vessels/
The cost, well it is around $157m, so around the same as a Holland class large OPV.
But why do we see AOR's in roles such as that in the Med or off Somila, simple: it is the lack of hulls to be everywhere. Just as boots on the ground is the land cry for patrolling so it is hulls in the water for maritime patrol. As more and more roles have been packen into single hulls so the price has gone up while the numbers have fallen.
If money was no issue we would love to have a few JSS Karel Doorman vessels, cimbines an AOR and LPD all in one hull, but it is 27800t and costs $414m. To put that into perspective for the same money you can get
2 Tarlac class LPD
2 Lurssen 85m OPV-H and
6 MH60S helicopters to park on their outside vehicle Decks. Now I know where I would put my money as the latter is a much bigger force enhancement
So why is a LPD better suited to our needs than an AOR/LSV. What do we want, we want something to transport the army, so a vessel that can take MOWAG's, LTV's and trucks along with a number of containers. We want some minimal hospital capability, we needed to be able to put all this ashore independent of harbour facilities as either through military action or natural disaster they may not be available. Then there is the rescue at sea Action such as the one we perform today. Getting someone off a rubber depth trap is easier onto the ramp of an LCM that a RHIB. And once onboard the mothership with a LPD there is plenty of below deck space while storing people in fuel tanks is not really an option.Last edited by EUFighter; 8 July 2017, 11:26.
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To be fair, the med is todays tasking, who knows what the future will bring, but the fact remains:
The DoD frequently engages the service of a civvy shipping company to bring military vehicles and equipment overseas as freight. All have to be de-armed during transport, and re-armed on arrival. This makes little sense.
One of the ATCA tasks is island support. None of the naval vessels is currently capable of evacuating one of the islands if necessary.
The DoD, and the NS has for many years aspired to have a vessel capable of being used as a floating hospital. The obvious short term solution here is by placing the Already in use Medical TEUs aboard a suitable ships deck, and sending it where it may be needed.
As for AOR, any vessel is capable of refuelling another on a small scale via modular equipment if required. Just not at sea. An AOR is mostly oil tanker, and we don't have enough work for a dedicated type.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostAuxiliary
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An AOR is a tanker with some limited replacement capability. It is designed as a tanker with fuel tanks and a double hull. There prime purpose is the refueling and resupply of ships at sea.
Even the new HNoMS Maud is a AOR even if sometimes it is referred to as a LSV.
http://www.bmtdsl.co.uk/bmt-design-p...pport-vessels/
The cost, well it is around $157m, so around the same as a Holland class large OPV.
But why do we see AOR's in roles such as that in the Med or off Somila, simple: it is the lack of hulls to be everywhere. Just as boots on the ground is the land cry for patrolling so it is hulls in the water for maritime patrol. As more and more roles have been packen into single hulls so the price has gone up while the numbers have fallen.
If money was no issue we would love to have a few JSS Karel Doorman vessels, cimbines an AOR and LPD all in one hull, but it is 27800t and costs $414m. To put that into perspective for the same money you can get
2 Tarlac class LPD
2 Lurssen 85m OPV-H and
6 MH60S helicopters to park on their outside vehicle Decks. Now I know where I would put my money as the latter is a much bigger force enhancement
So why is a LPD better suited to our needs than an AOR/LSV. What do we want, we want something to transport the army, so a vessel that can take MOWAG's, LTV's and trucks along with a number of containers. We want some minimal hospital capability, we needed to be able to put all this ashore independent of harbour facilities as either through military action or natural disaster they may not be available. Then there is the rescue at sea Action such as the one we perform today. Getting someone of a rubber depth trap is easier onto the ramp of an LCM that a RHIB. And once onboard the mothership with a LPD there is plenty of below deck space while storing people in fuel tanks is not really an option.
There is an ongoing requirement for DF equipment & vehicles to be transported overseas.
Realistically, to be useful, for ops where harbour facilities are lacking you need LCUs and a well dock (otherwise your constrained by sea state trying to load a LCU via crane). It will need RHIBs anyway, so put at least a pln on the ground simulatiously on board. We could get a few LCVPs and but them on board (they can carry roughly a Nissan with trailer). But for each one your sacrificing at least at least 1 TEU deck space.
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostThe DoD frequently engages the service of a civvy shipping company to bring military vehicles and equipment overseas as freight. All have to be de-armed during transport, and re-armed on arrival. This makes little sense.
I think I remember something about them carry hazards but can't remember what class (it may not have been Class 1)
One of the ATCA tasks is island support. None of the naval vessels is currently capable of evacuating one of the islands if necessary.
The DoD, and the NS has for many years aspired to have a vessel capable of being used as a floating hospital. The obvious short term solution here is by placing the Already in use Medical TEUs aboard a suitable ships deck, and sending it where it may be needed.
As for AOR, any vessel is capable of refuelling another on a small scale via modular equipment if required. Just not at sea. An AOR is mostly oil tanker, and we don't have enough work for a dedicated type.
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostCan she fit in the basin?
We'll just have to dock it elsewhere.
Interesting concept though. I'm sure if necessary, the dimensions could be tweaked for our purposes.
After the New Zealand experience I'd be interested in the freeboard between the RHib Stations and the waterline and should these be closed off?Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostAfter the New Zealand experience I'd be interested in the freeboard between the RHib Stations and the waterline and should these be closed off?
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