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The countries you mention are reacting to historic route threats in the case of Sweden and an Area power struggle in the case of India, some Historic with Pakistan, and the developing scene in the Far East. The Swiss were always independently militarily strong even to the point they also had a merchant service to underpin that independence. We also are in the arms business such as supplying components for electronic systems used aboard ships and also hardware development by principals such as Timoney. In our own case we have no official deep sea Merchant service or cutting edge military force. We need a Defence Committee to set out a way forward to restore a creditable response based on modern warfare.
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Huh, so installing a Phalanx CIWS and a EW/Countermeasures suite is cheaper than designing a hull to standard NATO damage control specifications.
Captas-1 is cheap and containerised, but making the necessary acoustic adjustments e.g. engine mounts, so that your SONAR isn't deaf is actually the expensive part.
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Originally posted by pym View PostHuh, so installing a Phalanx CIWS and a EW/Countermeasures suite is cheaper than designing a hull to standard NATO damage control specifications.
Captas-1 is cheap and containerised, but making the necessary acoustic adjustments e.g. engine mounts, so that your SONAR isn't deaf is actually the expensive part.
Eithne's engines were resiliently mounted ( Grey's Rubber ME mounts) so much so a ME start up wasn't detectable on the bridge. Her WT standards were fully pressure and smoke tested. Her main deck was WT as were intervening bulkheads. She could operate with either engine room fully flooded, and continue with sensors and weapon with both engine rooms U/S as she had a full sized emergency generator room with it's own SWX Board.
Fantasy Fleets is just a put down and symptomatic of a need to bolster professional self belief and standards in the Defence Forces. The target for all Branches, MUST be capability, otherwise we are just at sea!!
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Originally posted by pym View PostThanks for that ancientmariner, I hadnt realised that about the Eithne.
I thnk the extra 20-30% cost involved in the build is worth it - if it means commissioning before full sonar/ciws fit, so be it.
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Originally posted by 25 pounder View PostMartin I think his name was. Learnt his trade in Scotland.
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Pretty much debunks the vessel size/sea state argument for the non continuation of helicopter ops, leaving the obvious institutional deficiencies and preference for SAR in Baldonnel as the likely scenario.
On a related note but somewhat of a tangent to the thread, having seen in recent years the successful basing of helicopters at an off airport barracks location in Athlone, is there scope/space for a theoretical future
basing of helicopters at Haulbowline?
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Originally posted by Jetjock View PostPretty much debunks the vessel size/sea state argument for the non continuation of helicopter ops, leaving the obvious institutional deficiencies and preference for SAR in Baldonnel as the likely scenario.
On a related note but somewhat of a tangent to the thread, having seen in recent years the successful basing of helicopters at an off airport barracks location in Athlone, is there scope/space for a theoretical future
basing of helicopters at Haulbowline?
The only real obstacle is a physical one, the large power lines that are a relic from the Irish Steel days. Someone elses problem. They are not connected to anything on the island any more.
That and convincing the nice people in blue suits that there is a world outside the greater Rathcoole/ Newcastle/ Clondalkin area, that people can live there, and aircraft do not need to return there nightly or they will turn back into pumpkins.. Hopefully the Athlone experience has killed off that mentality, though some would say Athlone is still an easy daily commute from Dublin 22. Though it may be easier to train NS Pilots, technicians etc...For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Powerlines (until removed) are very much the aircrews problem.
Is there a helipad in Haulbowline?
Why move a helo on detachment to Haulbowline (no NS vessel is capable of carrying one)?
We already know the AC is extremely critically short of pilots and tech personnel
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An EPV may in theory be capable.
Future Naval helicopters should have nothing to do with Bal. Differing agendas would see the project fail. They should be Naval Service owned, operated and serial numbered. The only time they should leave Haulbowline is for any deep maintenance that can't be completed on site and normal embarkation.
By all means train pilots and techs in Dublin.
Helicopter operations are an integral part of modern naval doctrine. Like it or not. The future EPV concept should have not only a land-on capability but also the ability to embark a helicopter for the duration of a patrol/extended mission.Last edited by Jetjock; 30 December 2016, 10:17.
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