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    Lower than a snakes balls Duffman's Avatar
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    Looking for a good backpack.

    I'm looking for a good backpack, ruck sack , bergin or whatever the hell you want to call it!

    Need something with a good bit of lower back support and decent padding. I had the webtex ultimax for years and thats great but clips have finaly gone on it so time for a change!

    I wanted to get a Lowe Alpine Saracen 120L in OD but nowhere seems to do them anymore.

    Any other decent bags along the lines of the lowe alpine saracen?
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    Vulcan is a good pack, Have one myself only real crit is that the webbing on the straps tends overtime flatten out the foam, which can be uncomfy with heavy loads
    But there's no danger
    It's a professional career
    Though it could be arranged
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    We could send you to johannesburg.

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    Did you try RVops or survival aids?
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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    i actually think the issued bergen is pretty good, i think yours and ours are pretty similar if not identical other than colour? you can pick decent ones up on eBay pretty cheap now.
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    Lower than a snakes balls Duffman's Avatar
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    I havnt heard much about the sabre other than the video reviews (god bless those RVops lads, always on the ball).

    Heard something similar about the vulkan turbo.

    RGJ do you mean the old issue PLCE? I found that terrible. Very little lower back support / hip padding(carrying an injury and want a decent bag).

    Raging ya cant get the lowe alpine anymore that was a class bit of kit!
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    yes mate i meant PLCE. i have a Berghaus Vulcan but i actually prefer my issued PLCE ShortBack and i have modified it with extra pouches and an extendable lid so that i can carry my daysack with radio in it etc. and then take it off when i dump my bergen.

    perhaps you had the wrong back size when you had a PLCE bergen?

    go to a decent shop that will let you load a bergen and tab around town for 15 mins with it at least, i did it in London with my Berghaus.

    personal preference at the end of the day, as what is wonderful for some will be woeful for others.
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    Most comfortable bergen I ever had was the old US ALICE sack with external frame.
    http://www.ehow.com/way_5438164_army...pack-tips.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    i actually think the issued bergen is pretty good, i think yours and ours are pretty similar if not identical other than colour? you can pick decent ones up on eBay pretty cheap now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Duffman View Post
    I havnt heard much about the sabre other than the video reviews (god bless those RVops lads, always on the ball).

    Heard something similar about the vulkan turbo.

    RGJ do you mean the old issue PLCE? I found that terrible. Very little lower back support / hip padding(carrying an injury and want a decent bag).

    Raging ya cant get the lowe alpine anymore that was a class bit of kit!
    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    yes mate i meant PLCE. i have a Berghaus Vulcan but i actually prefer my issued PLCE ShortBack and i have modified it with extra pouches and an extendable lid so that i can carry my daysack with radio in it etc. and then take it off when i dump my bergen.

    perhaps you had the wrong back size when you had a PLCE bergen?

    go to a decent shop that will let you load a bergen and tab around town for 15 mins with it at least, i did it in London with my Berghaus.

    personal preference at the end of the day, as what is wonderful for some will be woeful for others.
    I agree RGJ, I find the PLCE bergen great, however there are a few issues:
    - it is very hard to get a short back (designed for people under 6' 2")
    - it is very hard to get OG (Brit DPM much easier to get)


    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    Most comfortable bergen I ever had was the old US ALICE sack with external frame.
    http://www.ehow.com/way_5438164_army...pack-tips.html
    I have one without frame, way too small and extremely uncomfortable!

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    I much prefer the old PLCE backpack to our new Lowe Alpine ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Alaska View Post
    I much prefer the old PLCE backpack to our new Lowe Alpine ones.
    Alot of people are actually saying that.
    Don't stand there GAWPING, like you've never seen the hand of God BEFORE!!

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    i think the problem is that although they are great companies and deliver great kit, the likes of Lowe and Berghaus design the bergen to fit your average hillwalking civvie and don't take into account the fact that soldiers wear webbing, assault vests and body armour and need bigger straps with the bergen generally sitting much higher than on our civvie friends.

    i'm sticking with my PLCE but i also know some old die hards who will still not give up their old Para Bergens:

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    I always thought the alice was too fat. It stuck out about 2 foot from your back when loaded, a nightmare if you needed to go to ground wearing it.


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    If I could afford it, I'd like the Kifaru MMR, see HERE

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwiftandSure View Post
    If I could afford it, I'd like the Kifaru MMR, see HERE
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    But there's no danger
    It's a professional career
    Though it could be arranged
    With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
    If you're out of luck you're out of work
    We could send you to johannesburg.

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    58 pattern ftw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    58 pattern ftw.
    "Large pack" my arse!
    But there's no danger
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    Though it could be arranged
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    We could send you to johannesburg.

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    Our current Lowe Alpine bergen has its pros and its cons.
    PROS
    1/ It is a lot more versatile than the old PLCE pack,
    2/You can carry a full daysack INSIDE the bergen and not under the lid where it is unstable.
    3/ You dont have to unpack everything to get to your sleeping system as it has a separate compartment for it.
    4/it has a fully adjustable back system and a proper waistbelt to spread the load evenly between shoulders and hips.
    5/Its IP-DPM.

    CONS
    1/Too many straps(tape em up once you have them just right!)
    2/ Too complicated for many ordinary soldiers.
    3/ Too big for the MOWAGS(nice testing there)
    4/ If you dont know what you are doing and dont adjust it properly it will be all over the place.

    Oh, one last thing.Our battlevests were designed by Lowe to work with the new Bergen.Thats what the two clips on the lower side adjustings straps on the vest are for.You open them when the bergen(or daysack) is worn and pull the sides of the vest out over the waistbelt when its fastened.Other vests dont have that feature.
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    Ha ha the ol 58 Handbag!

    Hmm I might have a look at the vulcan.

    Problem I had with the PLCE was the lack of lower back padding.

    That MMR is gooch in extremus! OG with tan clips is odd though!
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    On a more serious note I've used both short and long back PLCE and both are brutal ( yes in the end they will both kick your ass) because the hip belt is absolutely useless.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

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    Welcome back Duffman,

    For some reasons when I read your posts the voice in my head changes to the duffman character

    (oh yeah). likewise when I read JNS's posts the voice becomes either patti or selma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffman View Post
    That MMR is gooch in extremus! OG with tan clips is odd though!
    I think it's the case that if you order the MMR, they build it to your spec, so I imagine you'd get the clips you want. Those tan clips look bonk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    On a more serious note I've used both short and long back PLCE and both are brutal ( yes in the end they will both kick your ass) because the hip belt is absolutely useless.
    I thought it was just me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    I have one without frame, way too small and extremely uncomfortable!
    Would it work without a frame?

    It does stick out, but with frame I found it suited me great. Mind you, I am shaped like a deformed hobbit!
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    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    It does.... uncomfortably!

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