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    Considering we're only paying €50 million how much of a rebuild can that pay for?

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    Folks,
    For those of us who have IKON. It's all there.
    For those who don't, sorry but the exact details are not for public discussion just yet.However lets just say that with the upgrade the only original parts will be the hulls.

    The new,old, cars will be a massive improvement and will greatly enhance the situational awareness and force protection of the crews and dismounts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Considering we're only paying €50 million how much of a rebuild can that pay for?
    Quite a lot, considering each car only cost over €1m.
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    I see the CoS posted some photos of the Mowag upgrades on twitter earlier. The "minister" and he are in Switzerland visiting GD Land systems.
    Earlier this week they were visiting Pilatus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    I see the CoS posted some photos of the Mowag upgrades on twitter earlier. The "minister" and he are in Switzerland visiting GD Land systems.
    Earlier this week they were visiting Pilatus.


    Is that a different RWS?

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    It certainly appears to be. In fact it looks very much like the version seen recently at Eurostatory, with a Javelin mount alongside the main gun armament.

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    How is that Javelin and gun and optics protected from the elements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    How is that Javelin and gun and optics protected from the elements?
    They come with a canvas cover....
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    The new Dual RWS is for 12.7 HMG and 7.62 MAG, giving the same firepower as the old turret its replacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    The new Dual RWS is for 12.7 HMG and 7.62 MAG, giving the same firepower as the old turret its replacing.
    What's on the hull front next to the drivers hatch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    What's on the hull front next to the drivers hatch?
    A camera, part of a system giving 360 vision day and night around the vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    A camera, part of a system giving 360 vision day and night around the vehicle.
    This should make the situation clearer.(You like what I did there??)
    https://armadainternational.com/2017...-lsas-program/
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    First upgraded cars are back from GDELS.
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    This'll be an excellent bit of kit to have.



    It won't be attached to a Mowag here though, it'll be a DROPS package. Shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    This'll be an excellent bit of kit to have.



    It won't be attached to a Mowag here though, it'll be a DROPS package. Shame.
    So attached to a 8x8 DROPS in same way?

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    Here's another, longer clip of it being deployed from DROPS.
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    https://twitter.com/nicholadrummond/...41354567593985

    Suggestion from Nicholas Drummond on a combined buy with the Brits for Boxer

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    Quote Originally Posted by apc View Post
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    Suggestion from Nicholas Drummond on a combined buy with the Brits for Boxer
    Even with a combined buy how many units would it be realistic to expect to be able to buy given the costs of the Boxer?

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    The bigger the order the better the price.
    But if we got 30 years out of the M3, the DoD will have no intention of replacing them until 2031 at the earliest.
    Forgetting completely that both risk and levels of protection have changed dramatically since these were chosen at the end of the last century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apc View Post
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    Suggestion from Nicholas Drummond on a combined buy with the Brits for Boxer

    Cheaper to buy the non-U.K. version I think but then again they may give a good price

    But the MOWAGs are currently being upgraded so

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    where is the upgrade project at the mo does anyone know I saw a tweet during the week from one of the overseas units saying they got the upgraded ones
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    where is the upgrade project at the mo does anyone know I saw a tweet during the week from one of the overseas units saying they got the upgraded ones
    There was an informative article about the upgrade in signal magazine that raco produces a few months age that’s on their website

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