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Originally posted by Fantasia View PostBy the time the Mowag Midlife Upgrade is complete we will be about 2 years out from starting the planning phases of replacing the fleet.
Go figure
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Mowags back from UNIFIL. They look well used. I wonder how long it takes to get them serviced and back in service
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Originally posted by apc View Posthttps://www.flickr.com/photos/dfmaga...57714065673642
Mowags back from UNIFIL. They look well used. I wonder how long it takes to get them serviced and back in service
Yet another repatriation that could have been carried out by a suitably equipped naval vessel. 9 mowags = About 72LM only. Instead they have to be stripped bare, loaded aboard this cargo ship, and left to the mercy of the civilian crew until arrival. There was a time when they would be lashed onto the deck of a naval vessel, and brought home during the annual resupply mission.
As an aside Celine is the worlds's Largest short sea RORO vessel.
For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by apc View Posthttps://www.flickr.com/photos/dfmaga...57714065673642
Mowags back from UNIFIL. They look well used. I wonder how long it takes to get them serviced and back in service
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostThere was a time when they would be lashed onto the deck of a naval vessel, and brought home during the annual resupply mission.
It may have brought out the replacements to Lebanon as well
It does show utility of MRV though
Originally posted by EUFighter View PostWill we not be sending them to Kreuzlingen to get the MLU?
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So how did the Mowags get from Lebanon to Zeebrugge in Belgium , the Ro/Ro vessel Celine operates from Zeebrugge to Dublin so the vehicles had to be shipped onboard another vessel to Zeebrugge and unloaded and loaded by civilian drivers . As big as the Celine is she does not accommodate drivers either .Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .
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Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post...and unless you properly waterproof and protect a vehicle lashed to a deck, at the mercy of salt water, all you get is a piece of unfit junk at the far end...shipping AFVs is a bit of an art form in itself.Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .
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Had the opposite once coming back from exercise in Germany - we were told HMRC would be all over us like a rash, and anyone who was caught would face a double whammy of an interview without coffee / charge once customs had finished with them. Nobody (as far as I know) risked filling up their Ambulance with cheap NAAFI booze, and on arrival at Portsmouth Docks, no sight nor sign of Customs.'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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Originally posted by Laners View PostA couple of APCs arrived back in Haulbowline from Lebanon in the 80s on the deck of one of the PVs , the Customs Officers wanted to have a look inside them but the doors had been spot welded by the Army prior to departure from Lebanon to help make them more " watertight " , Customs accompanied the APCs to Collins Bks in Cork and when the doors were opened the contents of Honest Abduls gift shop were to be found inside .
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Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post...and unless you properly waterproof and protect a vehicle lashed to a deck, at the mercy of salt water, all you get is a piece of unfit junk at the far end...shipping AFVs is a bit of an art form in itself.
Carried a few vehicles on a ship in the 2000s, vehicles were wrapped and we gave them a freshwater scrub & hose down midway, and just before offloading.
Beirut to Cork is about 10 days at 12 knts.
The P60s could potentially carry 3 Mowags.
P31 could carry the 9 id say including one in the hanger.
If P31 had many years left ,it would be worth fitting a telescopic extension to the hanger for this type of tasking.
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Back around 2005 P31 was destined to carry out an overseas resupply. Her deck had been modified to accept twistlocks, and the helideck permanently marked by engineers to show where to park mowags in line with the ships stability profile.
Sadly the mission was scrubbed and we will never know how that would have worked out.
From memory she can stack TEU 2 high, 3 abreast with six places on deck. There was some "if only" discussion at the time about if the hangar profile had extended across the full beam, there could have been modification to the hangar door to potentially accommodate 2 mowag side by side. You would have a 12m wide hangar with 2m lost through exhaust trunking, instead of a 6m wide hangar with 2m lost to internal trunking.
Maybe next time.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Our few naval vessels are patrol vessels, of which we hardly have enough. There are cheaper and easier ways to move equipment to the Lebanon and the easiest is container shipment. As it is something everyone can look up, Singapore send lots of equipment to different training areas all over the world and they even have 4 LSD (LST) vessels. A few year back because they where shipping some Terrex vehicles back from training in Taiwan via Hong Kong they got into some customs heat. But if you look at how they were shipping it was simple; they have a 40ft low load pallet onto which they place a wrapped Terrex. This means it can be put on any container ship and that it can be offloaded onto a standard container trailer if further transport is needed. No need to mess about with modifying a ship with limited transport capacity.
If we ever wanted to transport all 80 MOWAGs then we need look no further that our big neighbor who has 4 Point class ships just for this type of job!Last edited by EUFighter; 4 May 2020, 09:12.
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Originally posted by A/TEL View PostIts fairly straightforward to waterproof vehicles for the trip back from Beirut.
Carried a few vehicles on a ship in the 2000s, vehicles were wrapped and we gave them a freshwater scrub & hose down midway, and just before offloading.
Beirut to Cork is about 10 days at 12 knts.
The P60s could potentially carry 3 Mowags.
P31 could carry the 9 id say including one in the hanger.
If P31 had many years left ,it would be worth fitting a telescopic extension to the hanger for this type of tasking.
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