Defence Forces Artillery

[na grohmiti]

Why does the DF need arty?

Because you can’t have a “light infantry based all arms force” without it

The Almost total absence of Anti Aircraft artillery surely needs to be looked at too, even in terms of securing airspace around VIP events.

[EUFighter]

The Finnish Patria Nemo seems versatile and able to provide stabilised fire on the move. They also fit it on patrol naval craft. Updating systems is to be encouraged to cut down on towed dependency and increase mobility.

It is; the standard system can be installed on most modern 8x8 fighting vehicles and it even comes in a sheltered version which adds to its flexibility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLns_5xadtA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNZYuk2dT1Y

[EUFighter]

Every Russian gunner starts off on the 122mm gun or the 81mm mortar as the basic weapon and they won't be giving up those calibres any time soon. They have had the 122mm Gvozdika in service for decades, when NATO armies were shunning SPGs in smaller calibres, because that calibre fires a very efficient shot and the bigger 152mm is even deadlier. As for the French in Mali, 500 km between bases suggests to me that they need to build another base halfway. I thoroughly agree about mobile guns, be they tracked or wheeled, but I consider that a basic layer of integral towed guns and mortars are needed in any Army. They can be moved easily, by truck, helicopter, freight aircraft, ship or boat and can be easily maintained. In our context, the DF won't be allowed to get tracked guns so it will default to a Mowag-portable weapon or a truck type like Caesar.

The thing about the western part of Mali is it is vast and there is no a lot in it. The region of Kidal where the second French base is located is twice the size of Ireland yet only has a population the size of Waterford. There is just nothing there, you can look at a map see a road and towns but zoom in on Google and the picture is different. Thus fighting the rebels in such an area is a mobile fight, the area is just too vast to cover with fire bases with the forces committed. Even if there were enough manpower it would likely take around 1,000 fire based to cover all the areas in Mali with LR-155mm. Thus mobility of firepower is essential either on the ground or as for most countries in the air.

[EUFighter]

The Almost total absence of Anti Aircraft artillery surely needs to be looked at too, even in terms of securing airspace around VIP events.

Given that the Brits are replacing their Rapier systems (which replaced their Bofors 40mm's), would it not be an idea to pick up some Rapier FSC's for all-weather point defence?

[EUFighter]

As the NEMO Container is a ISO 20ft container they could be fitted to the aft of the P-60's, to provide NGS, but would they be manned by the NS of the Army?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTzzxDM39xg

[na grohmiti]

As the NEMO Container is a ISO 20ft container they could be fitted to the aft of the P-60's, to provide NGS, but would they be manned by the NS of the Army?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTzzxDM39xg

The NS already has seamen gunners.

[DeV]

Given that the Brits are replacing their Rapier systems (which replaced their Bofors 40mm's), would it not be an idea to pick up some Rapier FSC's for all-weather point defence?

Why when Giraffe and RBS70 (BOLIDE) works?

Could there be an argument for a better radar? Yes and that would be very doable

An upgrade would be BAMSE

In some ways Rapier FSC would be a backwards step

[na grohmiti]

Why when Giraffe and RBS70 (BOLIDE) works?

Yeah, lets replace a 1970s optically guided missile system with a 1970s optically guided missile system.

RBS 98 is the logical successor. Anti-Drone defence seems to be the priority lately though, if the Azerbaijan experience is anything to go by.

[EUFighter]

Yeah, lets replace a 1970s optically guided missile system with a 1970s optically guided missile system.

RBS 98 is the logical successor. Anti-Drone defence seems to be the priority lately though, if the Azerbaijan experience is anything to go by.

While I agree RBS-98 or CAMM would be the logical successor, they cost a lot and I do not see either the Swedes or the Brits getting rid of them soon.
The Rapier FSC (or Rapier 2000) is a very different beast than the original 1970's Rapier. For a start the guidance is completely automatic requiring no operator input.

[GoneToTheCanner]

The Almost total absence of Anti Aircraft artillery surely needs to be looked at too, even in terms of securing airspace around VIP events.

they had it and scrapped it. Only the NS have what constitutes an anti-aircraft gun these days.

[ancientmariner]

As the NEMO Container is a ISO 20ft container they could be fitted to the aft of the P-60's, to provide NGS, but would they be manned by the NS of the Army?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTzzxDM39xg

We need to check the efficacy of the system for NGS-what range, how is target found GPS/and or radar FCS. The operators should be the relevant ships crew. Extra fire power is always a bonus.

[EUFighter]

It seems that yet again the Ukrainian Army is planning to replace most of their current artillery with the 8x8 Dana system.
While for sure this will allow them to move away from their Soviet era systems it would be interesting to know how their experience in their internal "Anti Terrorist Operation" in the east of their country.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...howitzers.html

Also to replace some of their tracked SPG's they are looking to Poland:
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._howitzer.html

[EUFighter]

Yeah, lets replace a 1970s optically guided missile system with a 1970s optically guided missile system.

RBS 98 is the logical successor. Anti-Drone defence seems to be the priority lately though, if the Azerbaijan experience is anything to go by.

For small drone the Dutch are testing a system from Smart Systems of Israel, it is an advanced sighting system for rifles to engage drones. Given the abundance of small drone this might become more common.

https://www.smart-shooter.com/products/smash-2000-plus/

[apc]

The L118 105mm Light Gun Replacement

Good Read https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2022/...n-replacement/

[DeV]

Bear in mind that the U.K. out of service date for the 105mm light gun of 2030 has upgrades that we don’t have