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    I suppose the point of 120mm mortars, regardless of who actually fires them, is that compared to a field gun, they are cheap, quick to set up and dismount, require less maintenance, spare parts and cheap to train on and cheap to fire as well as having a credible fire effect. Short range doesn't really matter if there is a longer-ranged weapon as the back up. I don't understand why the DF don't bring the 105s on tour, though.
    Any thoughts on 155s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExGnr View Post
    I heard the 2 FAR are the unofficial elite of the Arty .
    No. Its an oxymoron.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    I suppose the point of 120mm mortars, regardless of who actually fires them, is that compared to a field gun, they are cheap, quick to set up and dismount, require less maintenance, spare parts and cheap to train on and cheap to fire as well as having a credible fire effect. Short range doesn't really matter if there is a longer-ranged weapon as the back up. I don't understand why the DF don't bring the 105s on tour, though.
    Any thoughts on 155s?

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    Probably unnecessary and we couldn't afford them anyway, but if the DF were going to pick one, maybe something lightweight like the M777?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    No. Its an oxymoron.
    Oxymoron, how so ?
    The 2FAR have a reputation for being the quickest into action, quickest set up etc out of all the other Regiments, I have witnessed it myself.
    Not to mention in the Infantry role they have a much higher representation of trained snipers per head than any other unit in the Army, besides the A.R.W that is.

    So unofficially at least they would be elite Arty in comparison to other Arty regiments in the PDF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExGnr View Post
    Oxymoron, how so ?
    The 2FAR have a reputation for being the quickest into action, quickest set up etc out of all the other Regiments, I have witnessed it myself.
    Not to mention in the Infantry role they have a much higher representation of trained snipers per head than any other unit in the Army, besides the A.R.W that is.

    So unofficially at least they would be elite Arty in comparison to other Arty regiments in the PDF.
    2 Fuck All Running aren't the elite of anything.

    As for the sniper thing, numbers don't mean much. How many members of that unit instruct on the Basic Sniper Cse that runs in the East?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExGnr View Post
    Oxymoron, how so ?
    The 2FAR have a reputation for being the quickest into action, quickest set up etc out of all the other Regiments, I have witnessed it myself.
    Not to mention in the Infantry role they have a much higher representation of trained snipers per head than any other unit in the Army, besides the A.R.W that is.

    So unofficially at least they would be elite Arty in comparison to other Arty regiments in the PDF.
    elite artillery is an oxymoron.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ExGnr View Post
    I heard the 2 FAR are the unofficial elite of the Arty .
    Nah. The hint is in the unit designator 2.

    If you want real elite that would be 1 Battery of 1FAR. Do u see the hint!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExGnr View Post
    Oxymoron, how so ?
    The 2FAR have a reputation for being the quickest into action, quickest set up etc out of all the other Regiments, I have witnessed it myself.
    Not to mention in the Infantry role they have a much higher representation of trained snipers per head than any other unit in the Army, besides the A.R.W that is.

    So unofficially at least they would be elite Arty in comparison to other Arty regiments in the PDF.
    Horse Radish!

    The most elite arty trained pers. are they guys off the most recent course, shit hot, up to date with international practices and SOPs and trained by the best in the DF at Artillery ... ie 'das skool'

    An when the next course is on they'l have adapted and made something better again! As for the sniper thing, ah sher the arty have FOOs and there as well trained and double as snipers!

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    Since when do gunners require snipers? I thought all they needed was someone who could add without taking his socks off, someone who could drive and someone who could read, preferably in one human body (but not always essential) as well as someone to bring up the deckchairs and cold drinks, artillerism being such a heavy workload...
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    Nowt wrong with the dropshorts, they serve a purpose!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    Since when do gunners require snipers? I thought all they needed was someone who could add without taking his socks off, someone who could drive and someone who could read, preferably in one human body (but not always essential) as well as someone to bring up the deckchairs and cold drinks, artillerism being such a heavy workload...
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    Tradition, Going back to the shelling of the fore courts when one gun crew

    started to fire at a sniper up on the dome. Shells went through the copper

    and landed to near for comfort at the viceroys lodge in the Phoenix

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    Book due out on Irish DF Artillery from Ralph Riccio due towrd end of year, same quality as the Armour book I believe, should answer all the questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Tradition, Going back to the shelling of the fore courts when one gun crew

    started to fire at a sniper up on the dome. Shells went through the copper

    and landed to near for comfort at the viceroys lodge in the Phoenix

    park.http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...lies/happy.gif
    Biggest danger to a gunner in battle is a sniper. Having your own must be the best defence. Elite Artillary sounds better than Elite Transport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colonel decker View Post
    Biggest danger to a gunner in battle is a sniper. Having your own must be the best defence. Elite Artillary sounds better than Elite Transport.
    the biggest danger to a gunner in battle is enemy artillery, with fast-air and helicopter gunships coming a close second.

    enemy snipers are way down the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colonel decker View Post
    Biggest danger to a gunner in battle is a sniper. Having your own must be the best defence. Elite Artillary sounds better than Elite Transport.
    Elite Transport is a truck outfit in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExGnr View Post
    Oxymoron, how so ?
    The 2FAR have a reputation for being the quickest into action, quickest set up etc out of all the other Regiments, I have witnessed it myself.
    Not to mention in the Infantry role they have a much higher representation of trained snipers per head than any other unit in the Army, besides the A.R.W that is.

    So unofficially at least they would be elite Arty in comparison to other Arty regiments in the PDF.
    That didn't help them in this years all army sniper competition................

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    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    That didn't help them in this years all army sniper competition................
    Sgt ****** ***** 2 FAR is one of the best snipers in the DF, trains the DF team too or did!!


    There always jivin amongst the Arty and the infantry in the DF, lazy this lazy that... ask a yank or brit bout the arty and they'l kiss there feet for saving them with covering fire from miles away!!!

    Also firefinder can make it possible for Counter Battery Fire in 90 seconds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanachie View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    the biggest danger to a gunner in battle is enemy artillery, with fast-air and helicopter gunships coming a close second.

    enemy snipers are way down the list.
    All of which are dependent upon a lot of things, the list and the level of threat from any specific enemy on that list are likely to move up or down dependent on the theatre of war and enemy capabilities.

    So enemy Sniper's would certainly in the top 5 to 3 potential threats. IMO

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    Have the DF artillery ever fired in anger since WW II?

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    Do 120mm Illums count?


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    Have the DF artillery ever fired in anger since WW II?
    I presume that's a reference to AA guns?

    Leaving that aside, have the DF artillery ever fired in anger since the Civil War?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidan View Post
    I presume that's a reference to AA guns?

    Leaving that aside, have the DF artillery ever fired in anger since the Civil War?
    Have any section of the PDF done anything in anger since the civil war ?

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    That's why I said since. I know the AA fired during the Emergency at unidentified aircraft. GF's answer suggests that they did, as firing flares would constitute an operational use of a weapon in a warzone.

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    also why dont they deploy the L118/9's overseas and only the 120's?

    I believe weve only got a smallish number of them anyway, but surely these arent too expensive to purchase?
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