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    Post DF Parachute course

    I was wondering whether there is an upcoming parachute course with the PDF next year. I want to do the parachute course and will probably end up doing a civie course aboard but this means that my jump wings may not be recognised by the DF. Can anyone give me any more information please?
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    In short, yes, a course is usually run annually

    You must have your fitness test completed for that year

    Am unsure if there is a place specifically for an RDF applicant, or whether these
    would come under the course allocation for each Bde

    Some preference is given to those with previous parachuting experience
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    A cpl. from the 65 was on it this year AFAIK. He did however have a lot of experience (think a pre-req is being able to pack your own chutes) so wouldn't count chances if you don't have a lot of experience. Ask around about the relevant DF parachute club.

    You may be met with the same response that I got from the ADG "no baggers allowed!"

    IIRC The DF also don't recognise foreign (texel) wings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kheal041 View Post
    I was wondering whether there is an upcoming parachute course with the PDF next year. I want to do the parachute course and will probably end up doing a civie course aboard but this means that my jump wings may not be recognised by the DF. Can anyone give me any more information please?
    As far as I know there is a lot of demand for the parachute course (PDF & RDF) and preference tends to be given to those who demonstrate an interest in the sport. So if you are interested in getting on the course you should do a civie one first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    As far as I know there is a lot of demand for the parachute course (PDF & RDF) and preference tends to be given to those who demonstrate an interest in the sport. So if you are interested in getting on the course you should do a civie one first.
    ... and therein lies the problem - the fact it is regarded as a "sport", rather than a
    military course... else why would An Para Cumann Mileata conduct the course ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    . the fact it is regarded as a "sport", rather than a
    military course... else why would An Para Cumann Mileata conduct the course ?
    I'm sure I will be corrected if I'm wrong. But could it be down to the fact that the Irish army does not operate in an "airborne" capacity?? Bar the rangers would any member of the DF need to be inserted by parachute for anything other than sporting reasons?
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    http://www.planepictures.net/a/105/39/1308645456.jpg

    interior of a Turkish CN235 which has been rigged to carry troops for parachuting... wonder could ours be easily reconfigured the same way seeing how they are supposedly modular?
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    The CASA's have been used for parachuting before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffman View Post
    A cpl. from the 65 was on it this year AFAIK. He did however have a lot of experience (think a pre-req is being able to pack your own chutes) so wouldn't count chances if you don't have a lot of experience. Ask around about the relevant DF parachute club.

    You may be met with the same response that I got from the ADG "no baggers allowed!"

    IIRC The DF also don't recognise foreign (texel) wings.
    If I remember correctly a "bagger" used to and maybe still does instruct on the course?

    AFAIK its run to give the new wing members a basic parachute course (static line) but to make the course feasible they open a number of places to the PDF, one is usually reserved for a member of the RDF but its very hard to get it and the requirements to get tghe course are strict enuf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tezza View Post
    If I remember correctly a "bagger" used to and maybe still does instruct on the course?
    Correct, and not a million miles from you either...
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    Members of the ARW get preference on places on the course as they have to do the basic before they could progress to HALO and HAHO.Usually the balance of places go to the PDF applicants and the occasional RDF member usually with a lot of experience the last article about it in An Cosantoir had an RDF corporal on the course who had completed a couple of hundred jumps if memory serves me correctly! Is the civvy/Dutch course.expensive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Correct, and not a million miles from you either...
    True...

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    If you have an AF154 for a minibus you would be on the course without a bother.

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    yeah, but you can easily get your drivers course if you had your wings! lol, af154's are like hens teeth unless you're in the correct corps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    yeah, but you can easily get your drivers course if you had your wings! lol, af154's are like hens teeth unless you're in the correct corps.
    True, i've been trying to get on one for years!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffman View Post
    Ask around about the relevant DF parachute club.

    You may be met with the same response that I got from the ADG "no baggers allowed!"
    Ask the RDF Rep of PCM then..... yes there is one and he is an RDF sergeant who instructs on PCM courses.

    There has been a recent move away from sports parachuting towards tactical/military parachuting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffman View Post
    Bar the rangers would any member of the DF need to be inserted by parachute for anything other than sporting reasons?
    I have been an exercises were a recce detachment was parachuted in, but its a rare occurrence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit View Post
    You can't wear wings of any variety on DPM anymore anyway, so the willy waving is gone.
    Seriously?! since when?! You can't put wings on your dpms anymore if you pass the course?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tezza View Post
    Seriously?! since when?! You can't put wings on your dpms anymore if you pass the course?
    Correct as of 2010. New AI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docman View Post
    Correct as of 2010. New AI
    Ah, didn't know that, does the same go for a marksman course too? do ya still get to wear wings on ur no 1s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tezza View Post
    Ah, didn't know that, does the same go for a marksman course too? do ya still get to wear wings on ur no 1s?
    Irish Parachute wings still worn on SD No. 1s, 2s & 3s.
    There is no Marksman "Course" - are you referring to the Sniper Course? Either way,worn on SD No. 1 & 2s only.

    For more info read the AI (AI A9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docman View Post
    Irish Parachute wings still worn on SD No. 1s, 2s & 3s.
    There is no Marksman "Course" - are you referring to the Sniper Course? Either way,worn on SD No. 1 & 2s only.

    For more info read the AI (AI A9)
    sorry i was referringg to the marksman badges but they're only on SD anyway i think, although in saying that I could be wrong...

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    All your shiny stuff and badges on your SD 1 to 3. Nothing on your DPMs

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    Hi all
    the old Casa, 250, was permanently rigged for parachuting as it had static line cables running the length of the cabin. In 252 an 253, they basically throw themselves off the ramp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    All your shiny stuff and badges on your SD 1 to 3. Nothing on your DPMs
    Sorry for being off topic but i think that is counter productive, if you do a course you want to be able to show what you have done, be it a marksmans badge, parachute wings or whatever. Having pride in ones unit and individual endeavors in my opinion is very important, even something as having a unit insignia on ones unifrom can do this I think.

    At the moment everyone wears the same uniform and its nigh on impossible to differentiate who belongs to what unit, are they from an infantry company or support of logs? even a badge on your right shoulder would help this and bring back that comradery that each unit once had.

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