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  • The standard, depth and detail of that report is breathtaking in comparison to the shite the DoD publish. And all done with a staff of 150 compared to 380!!!

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    • $20Bn in Capital spending between now and 2030. If our shower gave us €20m it would make the news.
      How can a country with a similar population to us, a similar government, and a similar security profile (Larger mostly friendly military force next door, with occasional terrorism) manage to spend so much more?
      What's the secret?
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
        The standard, depth and detail of that report is breathtaking in comparison to the shite the DoD publish. And all done with a staff of 150 compared to 380!!!
        The big change compared to 10-15 years ago when the Ministry of Defence was in a mess is that around a quarter of that 150 include ex NZDF officers including the Deputy Sec who is a retired list Air Vice Marshal. NZDF staff officers at QF-4 plus are also seconded across to advise acquisition and capability projects.

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        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
          How can a country with a similar population to us, a similar government, and a similar security profile (Larger mostly friendly military force next door, with occasional terrorism) manage to spend so much more?
          What's the secret?
          Geography. That next door neighbour is in fact the same distance as it is from Dublin to St Petersburg as the crow flies and the main trade markets in Asia are three to four times that distance. Those trade routes / SLOC's have to be protected and seen to be protected.

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          • Originally posted by Anzac View Post
            The big change compared to 10-15 years ago when the Ministry of Defence was in a mess is that around a quarter of that 150 include ex NZDF officers including the Deputy Sec who is a retired list Air Vice Marshal. NZDF staff officers at QF-4 plus are also seconded across to advise acquisition and capability projects.
            Can you provide information on how and on what terms ExMilitary can join the civil service MoD please?

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            • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
              Can you provide information on how and on what terms ExMilitary can join the civil service MoD please?
              There is no restriction. The term public service job is used in NZ as the old civil service ways per Yes Minister are more than a generation ago. The majority of jobs are mostly employment contracts within the public service these days and recruitment is even outsourced to headhunting firms. Some ministries including defence still have graduate entry schemes but even that is only there to try and capture some talent. Public service jobs are advertised publicly by law and people simply apply and go through the process including the VF classification 1,2 or 3 depending on security level. Employment terms are then negotiated with the individual. A lot of ex military leave for jobs within the civilian intelligence community or take off their uniform leave the service and then become a civilian NZDF employee and of course their VF level goes with them, which is part of the reason why they are sought after.

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              • Originally posted by Anzac View Post
                There is no restriction. The term public service job is used in NZ as the old civil service ways per Yes Minister are more than a generation ago. The majority of jobs are mostly employment contracts within the public service these days and recruitment is even outsourced to headhunting firms. Some ministries including defence still have graduate entry schemes but even that is only there to try and capture some talent. Public service jobs are advertised publicly by law and people simply apply and go through the process including the VF classification 1,2 or 3 depending on security level. Employment terms are then negotiated with the individual. A lot of ex military leave for jobs within the civilian intelligence community or take off their uniform leave the service and then become a civilian NZDF employee and of course their VF level goes with them, which is part of the reason why they are sought after.
                Doubt they lose out on pension entitlements by doing so either

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                • The RNZN retires two of the IPV's:

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                  • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                    $20Bn in Capital spending between now and 2030. If our shower gave us €20m it would make the news.
                    How can a country with a similar population to us, a similar government, and a similar security profile (Larger mostly friendly military force next door, with occasional terrorism) manage to spend so much more?
                    What's the secret?
                    It is always good to compare;

                    New Zealand: Pop 4.7m, GDP $206bn, area 268,000 sq.km
                    Rep of Ireland: Pop 4.9m, GDP $385bn, area 70,273 sq.km (Tip error)

                    We don't have to start the discussion about is GDP the right way to measure of not but we can take it we are level or at least close if not above that of NZ.
                    It would be nteresting to know how active their Ming & Co are?
                    Last edited by EUFighter; 20 October 2019, 14:58.

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                    • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                      The standard, depth and detail of that report is breathtaking in comparison to the shite the DoD publish. And all done with a staff of 150 compared to 380!!!
                      More is not always better, there was something about "too many cooks...…"

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                      • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                        It is always good to compare;

                        New Zealand: Pop 4.7m, GDP $206bn, area 268,000 sq.km
                        Rep of Ireland: Pop 4.9m, GDP $385bn, area 709,273 sq.km

                        We don't have to start the discussion about is GDP the right way to measure of not but we can take it we are level or at least close if not above that of NZ.
                        It would be nteresting to know how active their Ming & Co are?
                        Well they are in a defence alliances ANZUS and FPDA

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                        • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                          It is always good to compare;

                          New Zealand: Pop 4.7m, GDP $206bn, area 268,000 sq.km
                          Rep of Ireland: Pop 4.9m, GDP $385bn, area 709,273 sq.km

                          We don't have to start the discussion about is GDP the right way to measure of not but we can take it we are level or at least close if not above that of NZ.
                          It would be nteresting to know how active their Ming & Co are?
                          Might want to check your land area figures there. New Zealand is four times larger than Ireland 270 vs 70 + NI.

                          NZ SAR region is also close to 11% of the entire planet

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                          • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                            It is always good to compare;

                            New Zealand: Pop 4.7m, GDP $206bn, area 268,000 sq.km
                            Rep of Ireland: Pop 4.9m, GDP $385bn, area 709,273 sq.km

                            We don't have to start the discussion about is GDP the right way to measure of not but we can take it we are level or at least close if not above that of NZ.
                            It would be nteresting to know how active their Ming & Co are?
                            New Zealand: Pop 4.7m, GDP $206bn, area 268,000 sq.km
                            Rep of Ireland: Pop 4.9m, GDP $385bn, area 70,273 sq.km

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                            • New Zealand 46
                              Ireland 14
                              Last edited by Herald; 19 October 2019, 14:13. Reason: Cos things got worser

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                              • Originally posted by Herald View Post
                                New Zealand 46
                                Ireland 14
                                'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                                'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                                Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                                He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                                http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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