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    • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
      It is always good to compare;

      New Zealand: Pop 4.7m, GDP $206bn, area 268,000 sq.km
      Rep of Ireland: Pop 4.9m, GDP $385bn, area 709,273 sq.km

      We don't have to start the discussion about is GDP the right way to measure of not but we can take it we are level or at least close if not above that of NZ.
      It would be interesting to know how active their Ming & Co are?
      Actually the NZ population like Irelands is meant to hit 5 million next year. Your 4.7 mil figure was an estimate from an omnishambles of an online census held 18 months ago that only had an 85% response.

      GDP is not a good comparison as in the specific outlier case of Ireland as around a third of the accumulated GDP is accounting entries on the books of multi-nationals attracted by the very low corporate tax rate. Modified GNI* is a better comparison as it takes into respective account government debt levels, which generally sees both economies level out.

      Modified GNI* would also seem to make defence spending within Ireland look a bit better as the GDP based defence spend numbers at present are a little on the light side compared to the rest of Europe.

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      • Originally posted by Anzac View Post
        Actually the NZ population like Irelands is meant to hit 5 million next year. Your 4.7 mil figure was an estimate from an omnishambles of an online census held 18 months ago that only had an 85% response.

        GDP is not a good comparison as in the specific outlier case of Ireland as around a third of the accumulated GDP is accounting entries on the books of multi-nationals attracted by the very low corporate tax rate. Modified GNI* is a better comparison as it takes into respective account government debt levels, which generally sees both economies level out.

        Modified GNI* would also seem to make defence spending within Ireland look a bit better as the GDP based defence spend numbers at present are a little on the light side compared to the rest of Europe.
        Cheers for the head-up on the census, and the parallel of the population sizes is such I can agree that both are for what matter it makes the same.

        As for GNP/GNI* as I said we can say we are around the same.
        Taking the values for 2018 NZ was $41.6k per capita, RoI was $46.2k per capita, so roughly the same ball- park area. To put that in relation to the average north EU countries there the value was $45.9 so RoI is exactly on the average. (Aus, Bel, Den, Fra, Fin, Ger, Neth, Swe) (GNI for all countries apart from RoI where GNI* is used)

        As for the defence spend this would then be 0.4%, still was below the target of most EU nations of 2%! or the average of 1.2%.

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        • Line of Defence magazine Winter 2019

          Defsec is the online home of Line of Defence Magazine, New Zealand Security Magazine and Fire NZ Magazine - publications covering the sectors that keep New Zealanders safe.


          A good range of articles in this recent edition from C-27J's through to PRC expansion in the SCS.

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          • After a long gap in capability, today the new RNZN support ship was named HMNZS Aotearoa.

            It will be great to see this ship flying the flag of its country while bearing the proud country's ancestral name.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • Interesting aside from an article on the steel cutting of the first of the French FDI frigates, seems the New Zealand Ambassador was also at the event, does that suggest that the RNZN might be interested in a version of the FDI to replace the MEKO
              The first steel cut has been made for the new French FDI (defense and intervention) frigate, the Admiral Ronarc’h-class, which will be known on the export market as the Belh@arra.


              Defense Minister Florence Parly attended the ceremony on Oct. 24 here in the company of Greek naval chief of staff Adm. Nicolaos Tsunis, whose government has entered into an exclusive negotiation with Naval Group to procure two of these vessels. Jane Coombs, New Zealand’s ambassador to France, and the Polish defense attaché also were present, indicating that these two countries may also be interested in procuring this mid-sized frigate which can be adapted to meet their specific needs.
              The Greeks are already in talks for an order.

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              • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                Interesting aside from an article on the steel cutting of the first of the French FDI frigates, seems the New Zealand Ambassador was also at the event, does that suggest that the RNZN might be interested in a version of the FDI to replace the MEKO
                The first steel cut has been made for the new French FDI (defense and intervention) frigate, the Admiral Ronarc’h-class, which will be known on the export market as the Belh@arra.



                The Greeks are already in talks for an order.
                Seeing that they are just doing a SLEP for the ANZASs I do not think they will be replacing them soon. It could be that they are interested in seeing what Naval Group could offer for the Southern Ocean Patrol ship or as replacements for their OPVs.

                https://www.defence.govt.nz/assets/U...-Plan-2019.pdf

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                • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                  Seeing that they are just doing a SLEP for the ANZASs I do not think they will be replacing them soon. It could be that they are interested in seeing what Naval Group could offer for the Southern Ocean Patrol ship or as replacements for their OPVs.

                  https://www.defence.govt.nz/assets/U...-Plan-2019.pdf
                  That is correct about the ANZAC's. The phased MLU which started in 2014 and will be completed in 2021/22 will give them 10-12 years meaning it is the early 2030's that their replacements are due.

                  I think an Ambassador attendance it is more to do with political solidarity and support of the French Naval presence in the South Pacific where NZ,OZ, the US and France are becoming more proactive than scoping commercial deals. Future OPV's are a possibility but it is fairly apparent that when it comes to Frigates the NZ Govt wont stray from the FVEY's group now that 3 of them are boots and all into the Type 26.

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                  • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                    After a long gap in capability, today the new RNZN support ship was named HMNZS Aotearoa.

                    It will be great to see this ship flying the flag of its country while bearing the proud country's ancestral name.
                    Here is a short video and article of the above naming ceremony of Aotearoa. Double the size of the old Endeavour at 26400 tonnes and 173m.

                    Four of the more important words any Chief of Navy looks forward to hearing during their tenure are “I name this ship …” because it means…
                    Last edited by Anzac; 27 October 2019, 12:57.

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                    • Where?
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                        Where?
                        Lets say it got there in the end. Technical issues with a dose of human error

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                        • Originally posted by Anzac View Post
                          That is correct about the ANZAC's. The phased MLU which started in 2014 and will be completed in 2021/22 will give them 10-12 years meaning it is the early 2030's that their replacements are due.

                          I think an Ambassador attendance it is more to do with political solidarity and support of the French Naval presence in the South Pacific where NZ,OZ, the US and France are becoming more proactive than scoping commercial deals. Future OPV's are a possibility but it is fairly apparent that when it comes to Frigates the NZ Govt wont stray from the FVEY's group now that 3 of them are boots and all into the Type 26.
                          The UK, Can and Aus ships will be very different though in terms of combat system, sensors and weapons. The recently upgraded RNZN ANZACS and the Canadian future frigates will have as much in common as RAN and RCN variants of the BAE global combat ship.

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                          • Advancing Pacific Partnerships is the latest NZ Defence document relaesed today which concentrates on building military capacity within the Pacific amongst small island states that are facing the challenges of climate change, trans-national crime, resource depletion and aggressive geo-political moves by (though unnamed in this document but was in the earlier DWP) China.

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                            • The RNZAF Air Power Development Centre Journal 2019 has been published.



                              They are certainly producing some thought-provoking stuff and these articles in particular are worth having a look at - Six Tenets for our Air Force, A New Zealand Space Security Strategy and Information-enabled Air Force – Eye in the Sky, or Pie in the Sky?

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                              • Originally posted by SouthernOne View Post
                                The UK, Can and Aus ships will be very different though in terms of combat system, sensors and weapons. The recently upgraded RNZN ANZACS and the Canadian future frigates will have as much in common as RAN and RCN variants of the BAE global combat ship.
                                That is indeed a widely known fact though not entirely pertinent to the point I was making. Which is that due to the three larger brother Navies whom the RNZN and NZ Govt has long standing relationships including AUSCANNZUKUS, TTCP and CCEB, all into the Type 26, they are unlikely to stray from one of those variants when the time comes to downselect as a customer/partner.

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