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    Quote Originally Posted by X-RayOne View Post
    I'm fed up listening to the mantra of post colonial "the Brits enslaved us for 800 years".

    We are three or four generations removed now from anybody even remembering the British in power. And what makes it worse is people now in their 20's, 30's, 40's spouting on about it as if they were traumatised by a despotic invasion!! Most under mid 40s or maybe 50 didn't even suffer old catholic Ireland and its societal / personal damage post independence but have the privilege to grow up in a ever increasing pluralistic and open country.

    Time to stop blaming ancient history and anything else for every woe and take some personal and collective responsibility for ourselves as a country.

    I will caveat all the above with acknowledging the NI situation....but that doesn't give an excuse for citizens of our independent country to abdicate civil responsibility because of outside factors.
    The problem is in the heads. I see it a lot in the older generation. The younger doesn't have it. But the mentality of being defeated before even starting? Talk to older people about tryting to improve anything and they'll tell you that it can't be done.

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    Even tho the state were happy to shoehorn them in to cover the Athlone Air Corps operations.
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    Not surprising really.....only surprise is it happened so quickly.

    While it is admirable the work ICRR have done to get this service running it only highlights the lack of foresight and investment by DoH and HSE in providing such a service. The typical Irish solution of let/use volunteers, part-timers, charities, etc. provide services the public should have available from the State.

    As a matter of interest, does anyone know if the UK HEMS services are fully charitable funded or part Gov funding. They are now very widespread and an integral part of pre-hospital services as opposed to a rare few.
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    Most UK air ambulances are charity run, receiving some NHS funding
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    I see in an Journal.ie article on the state of play suggestions that some pilots are going to the States for training later on in the year?
    https://www.thejournal.ie/air-corps-...59227-Jan2020/

    They have just introduced a variant of the 139 into service?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    I see in an Journal.ie article on the state of play suggestions that some pilots are going to the States for training later on in the year?
    https://www.thejournal.ie/air-corps-...59227-Jan2020/

    They have just introduced a variant of the 139 into service?
    Shushhh, that’s for their F35 training...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    Shushhh, that’s for their F35 training...
    Thought it was for the Apaches?

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    Those too ????
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    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    I see that ICRR are flying with 3 crew anybody know what that is? Pilot, copilot, EMT? No doctor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    I see that ICRR are flying with 3 crew anybody know what that is? Pilot, copilot, EMT? No doctor?
    I believe pilot, crewman/EMT and HSE AP
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.inde...-38557083.html

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    Correct. EMT is HSE also, not sure how much crewman duties he has to fulfill though. However, medics with Medevac 112 carry out comms duties and basic competencies for landing prep, nav, etc.
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    Not surprising. My club had planned a fundraising run for them in a couple of weeks. Like many other events, we had to cancel. All charities are suffering at present. All fundraising events have been cancelled, and cash donations have probably dried up too.
    At a time when this type of service is more vital than ever.
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    They need at least 1 major corporate sponsor

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    The London HEMS always manage. Maybe their funding model is thinking small? So many multinational pharma and medical instrument manufacturing in Ireland, surely one would like to see their name on the side of this fantastic service?
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    The London HEMS always manage. Maybe their funding model is thinking small? So many multinational pharma and medical instrument manufacturing in Ireland, surely one would like to see their name on the side of this fantastic service?
    Obviously not!

    If it’s needed, and a case can be made, then the state should provide it, the country has a big enough economy to do it without looking for charity.
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    It is a pity about ICRR but the question of funding is always going to be an issue. Maybe out of all the present crisis people will start to re-evaluate what is important and what is not. But whatever the funding model it will need to be for nationwide (or whole island) HEMS because that is the need. We may be a small country with a very high density of roads but they are not all contusive to rapid transport of patients. Try moving someone from Crookhaven to Cork or from Clifden to Galway, you eat a lot of the golden hour.

    As for funding the easiest is that it is a nationally funded service part of the National Ambulance Service, the Scottish model.
    Or it could be a Statutory Corporation like Irish Lights with a fee on say Health Insurance to cover the cost.
    Or it could be a Charity, but it would need several large sponsors either private or corporate. Why several? Because you do not want to lose the service if one pulls out. Hence also the need to have it nationwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    The London HEMS always manage. Maybe their funding model is thinking small? So many multinational pharma and medical instrument manufacturing in Ireland, surely one would like to see their name on the side of this fantastic service?
    London HEMS had an Income of £11million and an Expenditure of £7.9 Million in the year 2018/19. That was for 2 Helicopters and 5 Rapid Response Vehicles plus all this staff to run the service.
    https://www.londonsairambulance.org....t-us/our-fleet
    https://www.londonsairambulance.org....-us/our-people

    The also need to raise an extra £16 Million over 5 years for two new helicopters.

    https://www.londonsairambulance.org....-we-are-funded
    https://www.londonsairambulance.org....s-and-finances

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    The London HEMS always manage. Maybe their funding model is thinking small? So many multinational pharma and medical instrument manufacturing in Ireland, surely one would like to see their name on the side of this fantastic service?
    Sponsors do it to advertise to their customers so it is more likely that a service would have Aldi, Dunnes, Pennys or Supermacs on the side of the helicopter.

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    Virgin owned the colour scheme on the London HEMS for some time. I think Durex did too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Virgin owned the colour scheme on the London HEMS for some time. I think Durex did too.
    Daily Express also had their logo on the Helicopter in the early years.

    The latest Orginisation to have their logo on it, although not as prominent as the previous ones, is the Freemasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTU View Post
    Daily Express also had their logo on the Helicopter in the early years.

    The latest Orginisation to have their logo on it, although not as prominent as the previous ones, is the Freemasons.
    Same shower though .....

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