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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Dayum. I even tested after upload, but now it is gone :(. Bear with me.
    (tick/untick the box)
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    (tick/untick the box)
    went with Plan B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    went with Plan B
    So what are we looking at exactly? And what have you got against Valentia and Dingle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    So what are we looking at exactly?
    Ireland 2028 Olympics bid.
    Last edited by Jetjock; 14th June 2020 at 14:37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjock View Post
    Ireland 2028 Olympics bid.
    better chance of getting somewhere with that then a c-130 at this stage
    Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    So what are we looking at exactly? And what have you got against Valentia and Dingle.
    Extension of the ICRR Air Ambulance scheme to 4 choppers as well as co-funding the NI backup chopper and a joint coordionation centre. The circles are 20 minutes circles for the respective choppers (A109 in IE, H135 in NI).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    I'll just put this here

    20 minute air ambulance by graylion, on Flickr
    An interesting overlay on this map would be the 20 minute areas covered by all existing road ambulance stations. While I’m not denying that a lot of casualties benefit from transport to a Trauma Center within the Golden Hour, the vast majority of casualties don’t require that level of intervention.

    I can give an example of one case I’m aware of (in the UK) where waiting for the Air Ambulance had a negative (fatal) result, and the only rationale behind using the Air Ambulance was “because we can”.

    Edited to add - Sorry, vastly off-thread!
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    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Extension of the ICRR Air Ambulance scheme to 4 choppers as well as co-funding the NI backup chopper and a joint coordionation centre. The circles are 20 minutes circles for the respective choppers (A109 in IE, H135 in NI).
    ICRR can’t afford to keep one base online

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    An interesting overlay on this map would be the 20 minute areas covered by all existing road ambulance stations. While I’m not denying that a lot of casualties benefit from transport to a Trauma Center within the Golden Hour, the vast majority of casualties don’t require that level of intervention.

    I can give an example of one case I’m aware of (in the UK) where waiting for the Air Ambulance had a negative (fatal) result, and the only rationale behind using the Air Ambulance was “because we can”.

    Edited to add - Sorry, vastly off-thread!
    Given the uptake of the service, I think it is deperately needed. Do you have any examples where this happened in Ireland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    ICRR can’t afford to keep one base online
    Yup, it needs state buy-in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Given the uptake of the service, I think it is deperately needed. Do you have any examples where this happened in Ireland?
    No, but the circumstances can easily arise where eagerness to justify an asset results in inappropriate use. It’s just something that needs keeping in mind. Having said that, I do think it’s an asset that has great value.
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    The Air Corps has carried out a medical repatriation flight from an overseas mission.


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    HSE have a €16m 2 (extendable up to 4) year tender out for patient transfer & transplant retrieval teams to other countries between the hours of 7pm and 7:30am (7pm to 8.30 am June, July and August). The entire provision of the service would be the remit of the service provider i.e. staffing, equipment, etc.

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    Ref the contracted air ambulance for nightime flights to the U.K.

    Source is etenders and these are only P1 flights

    2018 - 1 mission (Newcastle)

    2019 - 5 missions (Heathrow) plus 3 missions (I assume AC as from Baldonnel) (London & Newcastle), plus 1 from Dublin to Heathrow (not provided by contractor not sure if AC)

    2020 - 4 missions (Heathrow) plus 2 missions (one from Waterford and one from Dublin) (London) not done under the contract

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    That’s a huge investment for not a lot of use...
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    That’s a huge investment for not a lot of use...
    €7m for 2018 & 2019 for the nighttime hours air ambulance the HSE is paying.


    Imagine that was put into hours for Learjet and CASAs

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    Imagine if that was put into a proper Air Ambulance service...
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    Imagine if that was put into a proper Air Ambulance service...
    I’d say if 1/3 of that was put into the AC they could have provided the service.


    One of the few DF allowances that was got rid of in the review was the Pilot Retention Scheme which had an obvious knock on effect to retention (and training for those coming behind those who received it) to save less than €1M annually

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