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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post

    Yes and a much needed service but doesn’t the SAR contract also include more use for air ambulance ?

    not necessarily a bad thing of course
    Not in the same way it seems. This is HEMS.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • Originally posted by DeV View Post

      Yes and a much needed service but doesn’t the SAR contract also include more use for air ambulance ?

      not necessarily a bad thing of course
      CHC was banned from carrying out air ambulance flights a few years ago by the IAA for violating aviation law.

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      • I didn’t notice it before but plan is for this HEMS service to go operational in Q3 2022

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        • Maybe it won’t

          Awarding of contract for medical helicopter service in southwest is challenged in court

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          • Sloane have been awarded NI contract

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            • Don't they operate the Cork based helis too?
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                Don't they operate the Cork based helis too?
                Think so yes, for now…. HSE has gone to tender to bring it under their wing (pun not intended)

                see previous post, Sloane is taking HSE to court having failed to win the tender
                Last edited by DeV; 13 September 2022, 16:27.

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                • Strangely ICAA has a tender out for a 4x4 Rapid Response Vehicle (to be based in Mayo)

                  they are obviously going to keep that part of the model which is good

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                  • Founders of air ambulance grounded as contract awarded to Malta-based firm (irishexaminer.com)
                    Sloane have failed to win the contract for the Cork Based heli. Not sitting well round these parts, given that the Charity operation set up and demonstrated the capability with Sloane. Now the new body gets to set up where the hard work has been done. ICAA took a private airstrip and turned it into a 24hr Air Ambulance base with a team of experienced volunteers.
                    Hopefully now though the HSE has committed to fully fund the vital service.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                      Founders of air ambulance grounded as contract awarded to Malta-based firm (irishexaminer.com)
                      Sloane have failed to win the contract for the Cork Based heli. Not sitting well round these parts, given that the Charity operation set up and demonstrated the capability with Sloane. Now the new body gets to set up where the hard work has been done. ICAA took a private airstrip and turned it into a 24hr Air Ambulance base with a team of experienced volunteers.
                      Hopefully now though the HSE has committed to fully fund the vital service.
                      ICAA showed the need and did the ground work and really forced the HSE to act to back them.

                      The charity model unless it has a major sponsor is unsustainable as they also proved.

                      The advantage of it is when that model was failing thE HSE (for purely political reasons) had to be made to step in.

                      All across the health, education and housing sectors, charities & NGOs are stepping up to cover up inadequate delivery of public services by the State (ironically mainly funded by the State and charity donations/fundraising - ie funded by taxpayers).

                      While the road ICRR service was 24/7, the helicopter is daylight only.

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                      • Originally posted by DeV View Post


                        All across the health, education and housing sectors, charities & NGOs are stepping up to cover up inadequate delivery of public services by the State (ironically mainly funded by the State and charity donations/fundraising - ie funded by taxpayers).

                        While the road ICRR service was 24/7, the helicopter is daylight only.
                        Correct. It's cheaper and easier to deal with a civvy non-CS NGO than it is with full time CS. It suits both the State and the CS as it takes the burden off them and they avoid the difficult questions when things go wrong. The NGO get taxpayers money and it's winner, winner all round.

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                        • Like it or lump it, the private sector agencies just have the talent the CS does not. My company originally ran the contract for a regional section of a government body before taking over the entire national scope of it. From what I've seen, the CS just did not have the expertise or maturity to run it properly.

                          I have my criticisms of my employer though. Milking the state for cash at every possible point is how they all operate unfortunately.

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                          • Originally posted by Jaque'ammer View Post
                            Like it or lump it, the private sector agencies just have the talent the CS does not.
                            Take health and special education sectors…. Most of the NGOs (eg Cancer support groups, special schools etc) were set up because (unlike Government, Civil Service and HSE) they saw a need and were willing to do something about it



                            To come back to the thread, the only reason EAS exists is some backbench TDs getting it in the neck about hospital closures. ICRR only exists because a few dedicated individuals saw a need and wouldn’t take no for an answer
                            Last edited by DeV; 11 February 2023, 19:12.

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                            • Ambulance service to make Air Ambulance paramedics permanent at bases in Cork and Athlone



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