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  • Originally posted by Tadpole View Post
    It was actually pointed out to you that while they both come under JAR OPS they are 2 distinct commercial operations with 2 distinct sets of regulations.
    Can't find the post now.

    Originally posted by morpheus View Post
    oh

    so what would be the reasoning behind the not operating at night? an operational decision or not enough NVG sets?
    Safety.... internationally experience shows that HEMS has a large number of accidents.


    1 Pilot, 1 Crewman & upto 5 troops
    The role of the Air Corps under the Defence Act is to contribute to the security of the State by providing for the Military Air Defence of its airspace. However in times of peace it is more usual for the Air Corps to fulfil the roles assigned by Government through the deployment of a well motivated and effective Air Corps.


    I'd say with Lifeport fitted your probably talking 3 including the pilot.

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    • Hi Dev,

      Tadpole is correct.

      Air Ambulance, transfer of a stable pax between point A and point B. Can be fixed wing airport to airport, or rotary wing hospital to hospital. As already operated by the IAC.

      HEMS is an emergency responder role that includes paramedical response at the scene and transfer of a time critical victim to a trauma hospital.

      Both roles are covered under JAR(for civilian operators) and have distinctly separate definitions and limitations.

      For example it is not uncommon for a commercial airline to posess an Air Ambulance dispensation to carry stretcher patients on scheduled flights. There are also many companies operating anything from Piper Navajoes and the like to speciaised bizjets on Air Ambulance flights.Quite busy this time of year when the skiing season is in full swing. Often seen at our airports.

      What the Air Corps are doing already falls under the same role definition.

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      • Which hospitals would be staffed and equipped as Trauma Centres for the reception and care of the major trauma coming in from the air ambulance?
        'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
        'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
        Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
        He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
        http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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        • So if three crew including the pilot and the Air Corps always carry a crewman are we talking only 1 paramedic? That would be next to useless!

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          • "The Air Corps successfully completed two Air Ambulance missions over the last two days.

            In the first Air Ambulance, a patient was transported in the Air Corps Learjet from Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel, to RAF Northolt, London yesterday.

            The Learjet departed Casement Aerodrome at 11:30am and arrived in RAF Northolt at 1:00pm, where the patient continued their journey to a London hospital by road.

            The second Air Ambulance was completed by an Air Corps AW 139 Helicopter, which transported a patient from Waterford to Dublin this afternoon.

            The helicopter collected the patient from the helicopter pad at Waterford Regional Hospital and transported them to the helicopter pad in Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital, Crumlin, landing at 5.05pm.

            This brings the total of Air Ambulances completed by the Air Corps this year to 7".

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            • Well so at least one 139 is operational.

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              • Why doesn't anyone from the actual air corps come on, identify themselves for who they are and tell us what is going on with this service... they never seem to respond to this or other threads in either an official or unofficial capacity. Surely it would not be hard for them to come up with a few lines to explain how this is going to be done and who asked them to do it. We are paying their wages, a little information would be nice instead of a lot of well meaning armchair generals (myself included) guessing and arguing?? Is it policy or do they think they are above internet forums?

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                • Strictly Verboten.
                  Although Air Corps personnel are undoubtedly on the forum.

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                  • You will have to contact the press office or get a pq put down and still be none the wiser.

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                    • Verboten by whom and why? Doesnt make sense! is it the same for the rest of the PDF?

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                      • Loki

                        Verbotten by the rules of this board. Loki, you are new to this site so you may not be familiar with the rules (though I expect you to familiarise yourself with them). One of the key rules to this site is that posters are not to be personally identified, so even if an Air Corps person did identify him/herself we would remove the post.

                        Also I am presuming that you are not in the military as you would be then familiar with military law which prevents members of the Defence Forces from commenting publically on military matters.

                        Take heed of these points and enjoy the site.

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                        • Bravo20,

                          Thanks for that, i understand now how it works.

                          It strikes me though, what's the point of discussing the air corps... and ripping them apart a lot of the time (the general theme of this thread) if they can't answer back... bit like picking a fight with someone in a wheelchair! Having said that it's an interesting site.

                          Again, thanks. It will be interesting to see how this air ambulance service pans out. I hope all involved stay safe.

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                          • Theres afair bit of inconsistancy wrt the AC.With 6 AWs it in some posters view is in a position to do SAR and AAmb and its day job with army/training etc yet the posters are quick to point out the CG with 5 units has no spare capacity for air amb or put in a diff way,give the CG another heli and see if it can do everything that is expected by some from the AC.

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                            • Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
                              Hi Dev,

                              Tadpole is correct.

                              Air Ambulance, transfer of a stable pax between point A and point B. Can be fixed wing airport to airport, or rotary wing hospital to hospital. As already operated by the IAC.

                              HEMS is an emergency responder role that includes paramedical response at the scene and transfer of a time critical victim to a trauma hospital.

                              Both roles are covered under JAR(for civilian operators) and have distinctly separate definitions and limitations.

                              For example it is not uncommon for a commercial airline to posess an Air Ambulance dispensation to carry stretcher patients on scheduled flights. There are also many companies operating anything from Piper Navajoes and the like to speciaised bizjets on Air Ambulance flights.Quite busy this time of year when the skiing season is in full swing. Often seen at our airports.

                              What the Air Corps are doing already falls under the same role definition.
                              I believe we had this debate on pages 1 and 2 of this thread, do a find on the JAR-OPS document tadpole posted and see how many times "ambulance" is in the document!

                              Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                              Which hospitals would be staffed and equipped as Trauma Centres for the reception and care of the major trauma coming in from the air ambulance?
                              See post 50

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                              • Originally posted by loki View Post
                                It strikes me though, what's the point of discussing the air corps... and ripping them apart a lot of the time (the general theme of this thread) if they can't answer back... bit like picking a fight with someone in a wheelchair! Having said that it's an interesting site.
                                They are subject to the official secrets act, so can't discuss operational matters without potentially getting themselves in trouble.
                                "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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