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  • Fenestron,
    Do you really believe the HSE are/were involved in the selection of what A/C or where the A/C will be based?? Hardly!
    Ref your questions about ETA's from the different bases, how long would it take from the Coast Guard bases to these areas??
    MB
    Last edited by Meatbomb; 29 January 2012, 21:50. Reason: Fat fingers

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    • Remember when this thread used to be about a potential air ambulance service?


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • Hi all,

        @ goldie meowww to right

        So on that point I was digging, and found two pieces of info.

        This PDF document is from the resus.ie site and the map contained with the timings is interesting.... anyone point out the flaw



        This point is from our glorious leaders (termed used loosely)




        For your interest and comments

        DITH




        The second is a link from the
        Hopefully the mayan's got it right and were all on a one way ticket outta here!!

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        • What's so interesting about the map?


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • Irish Daily Star report today, page 18.
            " Dispute over Air Corp Ambulance. A private consortium in talks with the Health Minister to provide an Irish Air ambulance service has challanged the legality of Air Corp ambulance missions under EU Law. Lifelight Air Ambulance Ltd claim provision of an Air Corp Ambulance service is subject to approval of the Irish Aviation Authority as civilian patients and crew will be carried on board"

            The soap opera continues.

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            • " Dispute over Air Corp Ambulance. A private consortium in talks with the Health Minister to provide an Irish Air ambulance service has challanged the legality of Air Corp ambulance missions under EU Law. Lifelight Air Ambulance Ltd claim provision of an Air Corp Ambulance service is subject to approval of the Irish Aviation Authority as civilian patients and crew will be carried on board"
              Taking the Government to court, that's a sure way to get funding! Besides, while I think ops with civil personnel should have IAA oversight under EU law the AC can do what they like. That I can see they don't have a case unless the Government fold to pressure.

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              • This 'challenge' is nothing more than an act of desperation from an individual trying to secure himself some employment flying helicopters again. Especially now that Weston airfield is officially for sale!

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                • "
                  Galway should have been an option for the A/C. Invest into the failing Airport. in turn reduce flight times to the west, have an infrstucture in place for the running of an aircraft... Fuel, fire service etc..."
                  This was the mistake made with Waterford thing that it could b e satellite base for the AC for SAR cover .Military Aviation of any description doesn't pay any divedend to the airport operators involved and only justifies their existence if it works.

                  Waterford had never been tested for night ops before going 'live' hence the failings were never highlighted until things went badly wrong.

                  Unless the CoastGuard base them selves in the regionals as in Waterfords case there is no justification of deployment of state air assets outside of those already occupied, and given the ACs removal from SAR work and the infrequencey of Air Ambulance services from the specific location, there is no case to locate AC assets plus service support to Galway.

                  Airports in this country are worse tha n hospitals. We have one every 100 miles or so, for a population that is also served by every other form of transport known to mankind.

                  Given the locations of major hospitals and the coverage already in place , the improvement in the road network. it would appear that the politicains are offering options to hospitals that will cost more than the operation of said same hospitals.

                  Something to bear in mind, 99.9% of general/ regional hospitals had a laid out plan to allow access to helos in the past. With their own expansion and the incrased size of helos very few of these are now vialable, funnily enough, very few of the former sites have had to be reviewed with the upgrade in patient transport services by road.....Do we really need an other operator in the mix?

                  Don't think so.
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • Statement - 06 February, 2011, 6.30pm

                    'Irish 258' completes Air Ambulance mission from UK to Dublin

                    Air Corps complete Air Ambulance mission from UK to Dublin

                    The Air Corps has successfully completed the transfer of a patient from London to Dublin this evening.

                    The Learjet departed Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel, for RAF Northolt, London, earlier today with a HSE team who met with the patient in a London Hospital.

                    The patient was then brought to the awaiting Learjet which left RAF Northolt at 5.00pm and arrived in Casement Aerodrome at 6.00pm.

                    This was the 8th Air Ambulance mission completed by the Air Corps so far this year.

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                    • Hi all

                      @ Goldie there seems to be an uncoloured area both by wexford and indeed from Donegal to Carndonagh.. maybe ppl dont get sick in those parts, or maybe your in a nice coloured bit and you dont have to worry .

                      @ Murph

                      Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                      " This was the mistake made with Waterford thing that it could b e satellite base for the AC for SAR cover .Military Aviation of any description doesn't pay any divedend to the airport operators involved and only justifies their existence if it works..
                      Its working fine because the private operator have committed the required infrastructure/ assets in order to run a successful base on site.

                      Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                      " Waterford had never been tested for night ops before going 'live' hence the failings were never highlighted until things went badly wrong..
                      And your point? I see no difference in that plan from what they are about to attempt to do in Athlone. Great runway in Athlone bks.

                      Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                      " Unless the CoastGuard base them selves in the regionals as in Waterfords case there is no justification of deployment of state air assets outside of those already occupied, and given the ACs removal from SAR work and the infrequencey of Air Ambulance services from the specific location, there is no case to locate AC assets plus service support to Galway.
                      Yes Murph, that was my point.... if your going to do it, DO IT RIGHT and have what you need in place to carry out a 100% service. (or at least give yourself a chance)

                      Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                      " Airports in this country are worse than hospitals. We have one every 100 miles or so, for a population that is also served by every other form of transport known to mankind.
                      Not quite every 100 miles, but even if we did, they would have to have certain standards in place as laid down by the IAA in order to receive various A/c.

                      Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                      " Given the locations of major hospitals and the coverage already in place , the improvement in the road network. it would appear that the politicains are offering options to hospitals that will cost more than the operation of said same hospitals.
                      Well I doubt its as expensive to run a helo as to run an ED, but i did outline that in a previous post where I said that the Athlone option was like a political bone in respect of the Roscommon ED issues.

                      Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                      " Something to bear in mind, 99.9% of general/ regional hospitals had a laid out plan to allow access to helos in the past. With their own expansion and the incrased size of helos very few of these are now vialable, funnily enough, very few of the former sites have had to be reviewed with the upgrade in patient transport services by road.....Do we really need an other operator in the mix?
                      LOL, most of those helicopter landing sites were built without any consolation of either the IAA or the helicopter operators input on this Island. And where it did occur, the hospital then saw fit to expand and make the pads they had no longer workable from an IAA standpoint. best example there would be Tallaght hospital, who built a pad then put a load of porta cabins next to it so that even a AL3 would not be allowed in.

                      This country could be flooded with operators, as long at the right ones were doing the best job for the citizens of this country.

                      Regards

                      DITH.
                      Hopefully the mayan's got it right and were all on a one way ticket outta here!!

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                      • Statement

                        'Irish 258' successfully completed a time critical Air Ambulance during the night from Knock airport to Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel.

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                        • Taking the Government to court, that's a sure way to get funding! Besides, while I think ops with civil personnel should have IAA oversight under EU law the AC can do what they like. That I can see they don't have a case unless the Government fold to pressure.

                          Tadpole,

                          Example, 139 landing at CH Crumlin at night and has incident involving civilian injuries / fatalities both onboard and on the ground!! The 1st question asked will be the safety standards adopted to land at the site!!

                          And you think that a civilian would not take a case against the state because of the so called exemption on military aircraft??

                          This AC can do what they like attitude could be very quickly addressed by a legal challenge believe me

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                          • Is there any military air arm in the world that is subject to civilian aeronautical legislation?

                            If the State wants it maybe they would either provide the resources and legislation (and organisation) to bring the AC up to the required standards or contract all ops out and get rid of the AC completely!

                            There are people that are alive today because the AC aren't covered by civilian aeronautical legislation. I think it was Muckish Mountain that a number of DSMs were awarded for a SAR mission at night when the landing light of one Alouette was used to illuminate the scene while another Alouette did the lift. Neither helicopter was equipped to fly at night!

                            Why is it necessary if carrying civilians to be covered by civilian aeronautical legislation but if carrying troops it does have to be? What if, heaven forbid, a helicopter carrying troops falls onto a house does that need to be covered by civilian aeronautical legislation!?

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                            • Have to agree with Dev on this one, a few years ago it was decided to fly an A111 carrying a head injury victim following a rotor blade impact. I don't think a civillian aircraft would be permitted such latitude..
                              "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                              Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                              Illegitimi non carborundum

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                              • On the 10 1215 Oct the Air Corps SAR crew in Waterford were tasked by IMES with the recovery of an injured woman who had fallen down a cliff at ARDMORE HEAD. Already on scene were the RNLI Youghal, the local Coast and Cliff Rescue Service, an ambulance crew and a local doctor.
                                The casualty was located on a ledge at the base of a 150' high cliff with c.10 persons in attendance. She has been transferred to a spinal board and was receiving treatment. There were also some 40 - 50 spectators on the cliff-top.
                                The location of the casualty meant that a lift using the hoist would be required and the helicopter's approach would be through turbulent air generated by the wind - estimated at 25 knots - blowing over the cliff-top and down the cliff-face. The winchman was winched out at an altitude of 80 feet and, as the helicopter approached the overhead position, a foil (thermal) blanket, which was covering the casualty, was lifted into the air by the helicopter's downwash. The aircraft commander observed this, but owing to the critical phase of the approach with the winchman on the cable, avoiding action by manoeuvring the aircraft was not possible. He then lost sight of the blanket as it went past his three o'clock position.
                                A loud "bang" was then heard by the crew accompanied by severe vibration and loss of lift. The aircraft was moved away from the cliff face and the winch operator commenced winching-in the winchman. The vibrations continued - accompanied by a loud clicking noise - and application of full collective did not arrest the descent. The pilot recognised that impact with the surface of the sea was a immanent possibility and he opened the flotation gear switch-guard on the cyclic stick to prepare for ditching. The aircraft then regained power and the pilot was able to level out at 40 feet, having descended from 80 feet above sea level. At this point the winchman was still on the hoist cable some 30 feet below the aircraft. When the winchman was hoisted up to the aircraft and was brought aboard safely, the aircraft was landed and inspected. No significant damage was found.
                                The helicopter's SAR crew then went, on foot, to assess the casualty. The winchman abseiled down the cliff-face, and confirmed the urgency of a transfer to hospital. It was decided to re-start the helicopter and, provided that it performed satisfactorily, complete the lift of the casualty and the transfer to Hospital. Nothing unusual was observed during the start-up and short flight-check so the lift of the casualty was proceeded with and the aircraft set course for Cork Regional Hospital. The patient was handed over to hospital care at 1412h.
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                                "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                                Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                                Illegitimi non carborundum

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