The AW 139 is ideal for the HEMS role. Similar sized machines have been doing it for years. The EC135 is actually the machine of choice for other HEMS agencies.
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Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostThe AW 139 is ideal for the HEMS role. Similar sized machines have been doing it for years. The EC135 is actually the machine of choice for other HEMS agencies.Last edited by Turkey; 17 January 2012, 20:23."We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
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the AW 139's are not suitable for the jobi do not believe sufficent space exists for work to be done in the AW139, and I believe ''bigger is better'' in this suitation
PS dont know why you want a bigger troop carrier, if the fleet serviceability was any way reasonable they could carry up to 48 troops per lift, how many more do you want?
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Originally posted by Tadpole View PostNot sure where you came up with this tack. The EC135 is 'THE' HEMS machine in Europe and most of the US. The AW139 is substantially bigger then the 135. If it can be done in the 135 it most certainly can be done in a 139.
PS dont know why you want a bigger troop carrier, if the fleet serviceability was any way reasonable they could carry up to 48 troops per lift, how many more do you want?
Anyway, the fixed wing is another issue too.
As for your second point, I understood at 100% serviceablity[happens from time to time] then the lift capability is 60, but my answer is yes I want more, it has been touched on a few times on this board but never, in my veiw, satisfactoraly, Anyway this is off-topic and I do not want to pi$$ off this moderator , so perhaps another thread?"We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
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Turkey, come on now. The stretcher in the back of an a3 was little more than a hospital trolley. The Lifeport fitted in the back of the current helis is what you would get in a&e, complete with all the machines that go ping.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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Originally posted by Tadpole View PostBut Turkey, the 139 is much bigger then the 135. I just dont see why you consider that the 139 is not up to the job of HEMS.
Goldie, I honestly do not understand your last 4 posts on the subject, and therefore am not inclined to comment."We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
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Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostPerhaps this thread is not for you then?"We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
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Anyway, spotted this while reading up on the web: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...309831059.html
To be honest this might be a better solution, 'cause when you think on it, why should the military provide air ambulance services ?
Not entirely my veiw , just a thought.
I only spotted one dreadful pun myself.Last edited by Turkey; 18 January 2012, 00:21."We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
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I know that, but they also use to provide SAR, anything can change......
Seriously, there is no reason why they should do so, is there?"We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
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Originally posted by Turkey View PostI am more inclined to think it's not for you to be honest.
What term do you misunderstand?
HEMS?
Lifeport
Stretcher?
Heli-cop-ter?
Try some debate turkey rather than "I honestly do not understand your last 4 posts on the subject"
Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostYou are wrong.Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostTurkey, come on now. The stretcher in the back of an a3 was little more than a hospital trolley. The Lifeport fitted in the back of the current helis is what you would get in a&e, complete with all the machines that go ping.Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostHEMS is not Air Ambulance.Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostThe AW 139 is ideal for the HEMS role. Similar sized machines have been doing it for years. The EC135 is actually the machine of choice for other HEMS agencies.
What the Air Corps have been doing in the last few month is not HEMS(Helicopter Emergency Medical Service), it was patient transfer. It was like the Ambulance of old, that had an ambulance driver, and a nurse, and did little more than make sure you didn't fall out of the ambulance on the way to hospital. HEMS is a declared ambulance asset, under the control of ambulance control, that will dispatch a heli to a tasking based on a request via the 999/112 system or other means within the HSE. HEMS crew is usually Pilot, Co-Pilot, Doc and Paramedic. If the AC were available to respond to a call in the last 12 months with a crew like that, with no prior notice, then feel free to correct me.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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Hi there
HEMS is time-critical roadside repair and air ambulance is the carriage of a (less time critical)stable patient. The old Alouette was designed to carry two wounded soldiers on basic stretchers across the cabin. The Air Corps never did this, despite it being common practise elsewhere with A IIIs. The Air Corps carried one ambulance-compatible stretcher along the cabin, as well as seating for a doctor, a nurse and a crewman and various bits of medical kit. As for the 139 landing on some of our roads to do a HEMS lift, I'm not so sure about that. It's got a big enough rotor footprint and a strong downwash to rule out a lot of minor/secondary roads.
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GttC
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