New Generals?

**danno** · 11th February 2012, 14:12

Originally Posted by Goldie fish

True, but they have one less officer than us. They start as Sub Lieutenants, our Juniors start as Ensigns, and become Sub Lieutenants when they have secured their watchkeepers ticket.

GF,is Flag a Brigadier or a LtGen as your previous post suggests.

**Bravo20** · 11th February 2012, 15:52

The Flag is a Brigadier Gen not a Lt Gen, it was a typo by GF

**Truck Driver** · 11th February 2012, 17:44

Originally Posted by ltsmarty

A 2nd Brig Gen vacancy arose last week, i wonder will that be added to the honey pot !?

Who's gone ?

**Goldie fish** · 11th February 2012, 17:55

GOC South.

**Kieran Marum** · 14th February 2012, 15:46

Last week [Tuesday 7th Feb 2012] the Justice Minister in formed the Dail as follows....

356. Deputy Michael Healy-Rae asked the Minister for Justice and Equality his views on a matter (details supplied) regarding Garda numbers. [6252/12]

Minister for Justice and Equality (Deputy Alan Shatter): .......... Reductions in Garda strength must be seen in the context of a wider programme aimed at reducing the size of the public service, and will contribute to reducing expenditure and complying with the terms of the EU-IMF agreement.

Today I have secured Cabinet approval for the appointment of 2 Assistant Garda Commissioners, 8 Chief Superintendents and 23 Superintendents, a total of 33 appointments to senior Garda ranks. All of the consequential vacancies at Sergeant and Inspector ranks will also be filled. I was very glad to secure the agreement of my colleague, the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, and the Cabinet as a whole for such a significant number of appointments. In seeking these promotions, I was conscious of the need to enable the Garda Commissioner to fill key positions in the senior ranks, and to maintain both the investigative and also the management and supervisory capacity of the Force. .........

Is it beyond hope that the same deal/offer would be applied to the Defence Forces for whom the same Minister [Deputy Alan Shatter] has oversight!!!!!!!

**Goldie fish** · 14th February 2012, 16:05

The GS have AGSI to fight that cause, There is no similar org for the DF NCOs.

**Truck Driver** · 14th February 2012, 16:25

Originally Posted by Goldie fish

GOC South.

Jaysus, he wasn't long in the role !

**Bravo20** · 14th February 2012, 17:05

In fairness he has been there about 5 years now

**Truck Driver** · 14th February 2012, 17:30

Originally Posted by Bravo20

In fairness he has been there about 5 years now

Really ??! Don't think so. Padraig O'Callaghan did a short spell there, before going to GOC West

Pat Hayes succeeded him

And I'm sure the present guy succeeded HIM

Didn't think it was five years ago, though

**Bravo20** · 14th February 2012, 18:11

My bad he took up the role in Ocotber 09 [It just seems like he was there longer

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http://www.military.ie/info-centre/g...rs/goc-1-s-bde

**hptmurphy** · 14th February 2012, 21:23

My bad he took up the role in Ocotber 09 [It just seems like he was there longer ]
http://www.military.ie/info-centre/g...rs/goc-1-s-bde

I take it he has retired.

Not a very popular guy here in Clonmel after the way in which the Barracks closure was handled while he was at a football match!

**Bravo20** · 14th February 2012, 21:42

He was actually on his pre-retirement course and went to the match in the evening. But yah wrong place at the wrong time

**hptmurphy** · 15th February 2012, 14:47

Obviously he passed the course if he was allowed to retire!

hew as still O/C Sth Brigade it was his responsibilty to make sure the information was presented in a forthright fashion, it wasn't, they learned of it through the media, he failed those under his command.

**dexter** · 15th February 2012, 17:29

Not the first time either, I had the dubious pleasure of working under his command a number of years ago, very much 'in the club with the boys' - he is a very intelligent man who has excelled in an academic sense within the organization, but as for man management he is an absolute gimp....

**Goldie fish** · 6th March 2012, 22:11

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...754#post364754

What is the retirement age for generals?

**Bravo20** · 6th March 2012, 23:54

Good point, he may only have two years in the job.

**hedgehog** · 7th March 2012, 06:54

We need new generals as badly as the wing needs concert accordianists.

While cpls are doing the work of sgts and cs's and sgts are doing the work of bsm's

Surely a few lt cols or cols could fill the role of goc.

**Truck Driver** · 7th March 2012, 08:51

Originally Posted by hedgehog

We need new generals as badly as the wing needs concert accordianists.

While cpls are doing the work of sgts and cs's and sgts are doing the work of bsm's

Surely a few lt cols or cols could fill the role of goc.

With the impending 3-2 Bde re org, it's quite possible that the Bde GOC will become a Bde OC position, i.e; the position will
lead to a drop in rank to hold the position

**Goldie fish** · 7th March 2012, 09:57

Originally Posted by Truck Driver

With the impending 3-2 Bde re org, it's quite possible that the Bde GOC will become a Bde OC position, i.e; the position will
lead to a drop in rank to hold the position

I bet you won't see any drop in general numbers until after the 2 brigade formation is approved.
Turkeys don't vote for christmas.

**Truck Driver** · 7th March 2012, 11:21

Originally Posted by Goldie fish

I bet you won't see any drop in general numbers until after the 2 brigade formation is approved.
Turkeys don't vote for christmas.

Quite possibly

**DeV** · 7th March 2012, 19:42

Originally Posted by hedgehog

Surely a few lt cols or cols could fill the role of goc.

Think of the Sections of the Defence Act and the DFRs that say "GOC", eg what if you are seeking a redress how do you go to the GOC if there isn't one?!

Originally Posted by Truck Driver

With the impending 3-2 Bde re org, it's quite possible that the Bde GOC will become a Bde OC position, i.e; the position will
lead to a drop in rank to hold the position

Up to the reorg of the PDF in the 90s you would have been correct!

Pre-reorg there was a Bde (OC was a Colonel) in each Command, who reported to the GOC

Post-reorg they got rid of the Command level structure.... therefore the OC of the Brigade is the GOC

**Truck Driver** · 7th March 2012, 20:09

Originally Posted by DeV

Think of the Sections of the Defence Act and the DFRs that say "GOC", eg what if you are seeking a redress how do you go to the GOC if there isn't one?!

Up to the reorg of the PDF in the 90s you would have been correct!

Pre-reorg there was a Bde (OC was a Colonel) in each Command, who reported to the GOC

Post-reorg they got rid of the Command level structure.... therefore the OC of the Brigade is the GOC

Also, in the distant past, GOC of a Command was a Colonel....

**DeV** · 8th March 2012, 00:29

Originally Posted by Truck Driver

Also, in the distant past, GOC of a Command was a Colonel....

If by distant you mean mid to late 1970s, yes

**Bravo20** · 8th March 2012, 09:05

Is the term GOC an appointment rather than a rank?

**hedgehog** · 8th March 2012, 10:24

It's an appointment,

With our strength there is really no need for so many generals, we should at max have two generals.

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