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    Quote Originally Posted by tomh903 View Post
    I have never heard of any western armed forces putting a high veloicity missile system on a highly residential block of flats.Stupitidy by puttiing the 700 odd so residents at risk or a smart tactical decision?????
    How many Olympics have been held in Western Europe since 9/11?

    Times have changed.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Surely if an aircraft gets in that far to the centre of London , the air defence screen has already failed.?
    just because you have barbed wire around your garden doesn't mean you don't lock your door or activate your alarm.

    i'd say it just adds depth to the defences - especially for anything approaching at low level through the clutter of high rise buildings etc. that might allow anything get in closer than it should.

    better safe than sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    just because you have barbed wire around your garden doesn't mean you don't lock your door or activate your alarm.

    i'd say it just adds depth to the defences - especially for anything approaching at low level through the clutter of high rise buildings etc. that might allow anything get in closer than it should.

    better safe than sorry.
    Helis in particular, which could relaively easily avoid the radar of ships positioned in the Thames. Terrorists don't have access to fast jets, but a guy firing a rifle from a little hired Robinson flown by a semi-competent pilot could potentially nip in and become what everyone would remember about London 2012. If you have it and it's potentially useful, deploy it.

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    What I'am thinking here is. Right lads we are in the centre of London now, in your own time shoot us down.

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    Its absolutely ridiculous they notified the residents, IMO its an operational decision and should not be held up to scrutiny, especially in the media. And the muslim MP complaining about not being consulted...is she serious? MOD should "neither confirm nor deny" deployments and any other sensitive security matters!
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    Ever look at the human element in all this, your going to have lads and lassies of HM armed forces, on the top of a building, for 2 weeks 24 hour, in a London summer, limited shelter, otherwise it's a pointless exercise, so that people can play sports, and some cnuts have the cheek to complain.
    Mind you, the way things have gone lately, they might get swept off by a force ten gale....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkey View Post
    Ever look at the human element in all this, your going to have lads and lassies of HM armed forces, on the top of a building, for 2 weeks 24 hour, in a London summer, limited shelter, otherwise it's a pointless exercise, so that people can play sports, and some cnuts have the cheek to complain.
    Mind you, the way things have gone lately, they might get swept off by a force ten gale....
    one of the more cynical wags within the Royal Regiment has suggested that being sat on a roof top for 6 weeks beats being used as a 'steward' in the Olympics, and that the gallant Cloudpunchers have devised a cunning wheeze to get out of a more odious duty!

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    Yeah, don't they normally do stewarding at Wimbledon?


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Yeah, don't they normally do stewarding at Wimbledon?
    yeah, voluntary job - part of the KAPE initiative - good if you like stratospherically-priced strawberries and cream, obnoxious gits with corporate tickets, and crowds. not really my scene, but i suppose some people must like tennis - and soft furnishings...

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    The problem is there is more than a fair share of nutters/extremists living within the "secure" zone already. Stephen Tibbs MP was stabbed in his constituency office in the East End.

    And, the Irish Dancing Priest, an t-athair Corneilus Horan can still be seen around London. Last time I saw him he had taken up with a group of Christians for Zionists or something and he was wearing his traditional Irish Dancing kit with a large Star of David. You could not make it up.


    Below is the vid of an t-athair at Silverstone - previously he had featured at the Athens Olympics.

    He comes from Scartaglin and went to school at St. Brendans in Killarney and, I guess, Maynooth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a_urdgrl2E

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    With regard to scattering of debris, there are degrees. If a commercial jet was to scatter itself, after a SAM strike, it'd be a bit nasty.If it was just a little R22 or a Cessna, it might just leave a stain on a rug, so to speak. apart from all that, wouldn't the rooftop clutter affect targeting? I think it's just for show and that the local toerags/rabble/rabble-rousers/disaffected yoof are really being watched by the Sass and other undercover lots. Given all the rain that's falling, I'm not sure a Rapier is the ideal weapon of choice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by timhorgan View Post
    The problem is there is more than a fair share of nutters/extremists living within the "secure" zone already. Stephen Tibbs MP was stabbed in his constituency office in the East End.
    His surname is Timms!

    As for Newham having it's fair share of what you label nutters/extremists, there are worst Boroughs around London for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    How many Olympics have been held in Western Europe since 9/11?

    Times have changed.
    And more closer to London's heart, 7/7.

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    Gents, as you know i usually consider cries of 'OPSEC!' to be a front for the covering up of embarrassing facts, however in this case i think that the political, rather than purely military points being raised - because they are being raised by people who have some idea of what they're talking about, rather than the moron the Daily Telegraph employs as its Defence Correspondant - are coming perilously close to information that could help an unfriendly frame a decision about whether to stage an attack.

    i accept entirely that i could be be both way OTT, and possibly a bit hypocritical - but i'd ask you think about whether you really want some bearded nutter reading what you're writing right now, before the games.

    standing by for a mighty slagging, as well as accusations of poovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmtts View Post
    His surname is Timms!
    Thank you, I stand corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    military points being raised - because they are being raised by people who have some idea of what they're talking about, rather than the moron the Daily Telegraph employs as its Defence Correspondant
    It can't be Sean Rayment then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by timhorgan View Post
    The problem is there is more than a fair share of nutters/extremists living within the "secure" zone already. Stephen Tibbs MP was stabbed in his constituency office in the East End.

    And, the Irish Dancing Priest, an t-athair Corneilus Horan can still be seen around London. Last time I saw him he had taken up with a group of Christians for Zionists or something and he was wearing his traditional Irish Dancing kit with a large Star of David. You could not make it up.


    Below is the vid of an t-athair at Silverstone - previously he had featured at the Athens Olympics.

    He comes from Scartaglin and went to school at St. Brendans in Killarney and, I guess, Maynooth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a_urdgrl2E
    What an A**hole. If he had gotten hit, I'd have had all the sympathy in the world for the poor driver.

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    Hes not the only Kerryman at large in London.

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    correction

    Here is the leaflet - interesting range of languages if you are a local and want to talk to somebody.


    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71971797/bow...le_leaflet.pdf


    And here is the lucky apartment block. ( I think Paul G would probably know more about the area).

    http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=skn...=0&form=LMLTCC

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    MANPADS in East London, what could possibly go wrong??

    http://yfrog.com/0z1azz

    Last edited by SwiftandSure; 3rd May 2012 at 13:11.

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    Oh dear

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    Holy shit. Someone could have grabbed something and run there. That is a major ****up. Someone deserves to answer for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timhorgan View Post
    The problem is there is more than a fair share of nutters/extremists living within the "secure" zone already. Stephen Tibbs MP was stabbed in his constituency office in the East End.

    And, the Irish Dancing Priest, an t-athair Corneilus Horan can still be seen around London. Last time I saw him he had taken up with a group of Christians for Zionists or something and he was wearing his traditional Irish Dancing kit with a large Star of David. You could not make it up.


    Below is the vid of an t-athair at Silverstone - previously he had featured at the Athens Olympics.

    He comes from Scartaglin and went to school at St. Brendans in Killarney and, I guess, Maynooth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a_urdgrl2E
    The mad irish priest tried to disrupt the World Cup in German in 2006, the krauts wised up to him and locked him up for the duration in a prison in berlin, german prisons are very nasty places, and it put a stop to his enthuaism for spreading the word about the end of the world by disrupting sporting events.

    As for the missiles in London, the Air defence regiments in the British army must be looking at the chop in any strategic review. The American got rid of their air defence units about a decade ago after coming to the realisation that they hadn't been attacked by enemy aircraft since the start of the korean war. Commanders are trying to justify retaining their empires.

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    could it be a video taken by a soldier?

    the lads walking towards the camera just ignored the cameraman so maybe he was in uniform and someone on the web hijacked the clip!?

    Just saying!!!

    There were soldiers within sight of the weapons just down the path too.
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    If he really wanted to upset people, he should have kept his mouth shut and run off with a tube. That would have put a few noses out of joint.

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