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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
    Didn't PDFORRA sign up for exactly that in Croke Park?

    Saw some of the minor details on the electronic bulletin board but didn't have time to have a proper look
    I haven't a clue if they did or not.

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    • This is most of the relevant bits :

      4.1 Recognising that GOCs have power to post personnel to appointments within the
      Brigade, including for reasons, inter alia, SWAs, surpluses arising from barrack
      closures, restructuring of the PDF cadre supporting the Reserve, and for operational
      requirements, etc. the Parties will cooperate in this context with the flexible deployment/redeployment of personnel.

      4.2 The Eastern Brigade and DFTC will be treated as the one Brigade area for the purposes of such deployment/redeployment.

      4.3 In so far as is possible, redeployment will be based on the principles of volunteerism/ expressions of interest so as to avoid the necessity for compulsory
      redeployment.
      Source : implementation body.

      An initiative which aims to improve the health and wellbeing of people living in Ireland
      "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

      "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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      • So once the brigade areas are changed, the 2 GOCs will be able to.

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        • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
          They really don't want that. If you do that then to be equal all the jobs have to be put up for application and the amount of bitterness ( dey tuk ur jobs etc ) it engenders is awesome.
          There has been very little problems with this in the past, such as when barracks closed and lads transferred to a unit of their choice.

          Originally posted by Hello Alaska View Post
          That above is already happening, with members of one Corps being told they can transfer into vacancies in another Corps, regardless of whether they are actually qualified to fill the vacancy or not.
          People transfer from Corps to Corps regularly with few snags.
          Last edited by almaza; 7 August 2012, 19:26.

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          • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
            This is most of the relevant bits :



            Source : implementation body.

            http://implementationbody.gov.ie/wp-...pr11-mar12.pdf
            PDFORRA and its members agreed to the Croke Park Agreement under a 3 Brigade structure not 2 Brigades.

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            • PDFORRA and its members agreed to the Croke Park Agreement under a 3 Brigade structure not 2 Brigades
              where does it say that in the agreement ?
              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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              • Originally posted by almaza View Post
                People transfer from Corps to Corps regularly with few snags.
                Ahh, but not in the volumes that will occur when things kick off in the soon-to-be-no more W Bde...
                "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                • Originally posted by kermit
                  Are they not DFHQ units, like the ARW, located in the DFTC?
                  DF Reserve.Tasked by DFHQ.
                  "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                  • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                    I am open to correction but didn't the HQ western command locate at Galway? The brigade HQ only moved there when the Western command became the western brigade? So there wasn't always a general in Athlone?
                    No Commander General either...
                    That is not correct. The Western Command headquarters was always in Athlone. Up to 1979 the Western Command HQ and the 4th Brigade HQ were in Athlone. The 5th Brigade HQ was in Galway. Post 1979 the Western Command HQ and the 4th Brigade HQ were in Athlone and the Western Command FCA Group HQ was in Galway. This continued until the Western Command HQ and the 4th Brigade HQ were amalgamated in Athlone. When the western Command HQ was set up in 1940 the Commander was a Major General. The Post of OC Western Command was held in the rank of Colonel like all the other Command OC posts until the rank of Brigadier General was created in 1978 and all Command OC posts including the Western Command were subsequently held in the rank of Brigadier General.

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                    • He also claimed that members of the Naval Service, based in Haulbowline, can be earning less than the National Minimum Wage during long patrol periods.

                      "In order to provide enough personnel to meet the commitments of ship-to-shore rotation, urgent recruitment is needed, and should be continued on an ongoing basis," Mr Webb said.
                      validation for an increase in naval service establishment so? At the expense of the Army establishment
                      Last edited by ZULU; 5 October 2012, 13:32.
                      "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                      • Good.


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • Stick the 80 lads that are lost due to the closure of 4 Bn into the NS in shore based units to free up some real sailors to rotate through the ships and take their leave, go on courses etc which is often difficult for sailors to do during their patrol days

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                          • Originally posted by midnight oil View Post
                            Stick the 80 lads that are lost due to the closure of 4 Bn into the NS in shore based units to free up some real sailors to rotate through the ships and take their leave, go on courses etc which is often difficult for sailors to do during their patrol days
                            The whole point is that you need people to rotate, if they are permanently shore based it defeats the object!

                            Isn't it suppose to be a 3 year rotation of sea/shore ?

                            Did the NS every get the personnel it needed for 1.3 / 1.5 (can't remember which) per vessel to allow for the vessels to be available more?

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                            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                              The whole point is that you need people to rotate, if they are permanently shore based it defeats the object!

                              Isn't it suppose to be a 3 year rotation of sea/shore ?
                              Yes but why train someone to do a job on the base, allow them to learn the trade for the next 2 years and once they have mastered it send them to sea. Just because the NS has always done it a certain way doesn't make it the best way. Same with the army.



                              People should be masters of their skill sets. Be that ashore or at sea.

                              I am also of the viewpoint that we need to move away from the old conception that we (PDF) should have a job for life.

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                              • Because then you have 1 group of NS personnel who all they do is go to sea (no time for leave, courses, etc) and another group that never go to sea.

                                That used to be the problem - too many non-sea going personnel !!

                                The NS made great inroads into fixing it.
                                Last edited by DeV; 5 October 2012, 20:41.

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