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    Motions submitted for conference 2012
    1. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to negotiate with the Department of Defence an end to the promotion embargo on the reserve forces and allow all outstanding promotions ASAP
    2. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to negotiate with the Department of Defence a recruitment drive for the Army Reserve and Naval Service Reserve.
    3. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to negotiate with the Department of Defence the provision of a training centre for displaced reservists in Mullingar without further delay
    4. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to negotiate with the Department of Defence to ensure that the training hours that could not be fulfilled by membership of No. 3 Gun Battery 54 RAR due to the closure of Columb Barracks Mullingar will be allowed these hours in lieu thus allowing for qualification for gratuity. [COMPOSITE MOTION SUGGESTED]
    5. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to ensure that the training hours that could not be fulfilled by the membership of our battery due to the local barracks closing will be allotted these hours in lieu and qualify for gratuity. [COMPOSITE MOTION SUGGESTED]
    6. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to negotiate with the Department of Defence to ensure that the training hours that could not be fulfilled by members due to the closure of Barracks will be allowed these hours in lieu, thus allowing for qualification for gratuity. THIS IS THE PROPOSED COMPOSITE MOTION
    7. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to engage with the relevant authorities to progress the payment of tech pay for all relevant members of the RDF as per CS4
    8. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to negotiatewith the Military Authorities that any recruitment to the RDF in the future would be carried out separately to the PDF, and that potential recruits enlisted to the RDF would not be eligible for employment in the PDF until a twelve month training period had elapsed.
    9. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to engage with the Military Authorities that sufficient qualified Medical Personnel are available to conduct approved medicals for recruits and course participants in the future for all formations in a timely manner
    10. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to ensure that the current rural based sub units of the reserve defence force are retained, and where the reorganisation of the Defence Forces takes place that no effect is inflicted on the sub units concerned.
    11. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to commence discussions with the Department of Defence & the Military Authorities to prevent the reoccurrence of the problems in communication that led to the late announcement of mandays for recruitment and prevented potential recruits from attending training periods within formations
    12. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to engage with the military authorities to ensure that adequate staffing levels for administrative purposes be maintained for RDF sub units after the proposed reorganisation of the defence forces and the current level of retirements from the current PDF cadre.
    13. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to help get outstanding FCA medals issued to our members.
    14. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to pursue the issue of the new RDF service medal be issued to all members of the Reserve that have 7 years service since 1 October 2005
    15. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to liaise with the Military Authorities to ensure that all personnel who currently qualify for Annual Training Camps and courses next year will be facilitated, given the current mandate that all personnel over the age of forty years must have an annual medical completed prior to presenting for training camps.
    16. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to enter into negotiations with the Military Authorities to ensure that all senior NCO vacancies available to trained and experienced personnel should not be blocked by the appointment of a retiring PDF NCO.
    17. The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to reduce the RDFRA membership fee from 4.5% to 2% from 2012 until the current austerity have receded sufficiently to allow for a review and to allow members and potential members a more competitive organization for the future.
    Discuss!

    I like the idea that they are finally putting them on the website and not trying to hide them like they have done previously. For once, the ordinary member can actually see them.
    And the number of motions are way down. And gone are the usual rash of ones looking for this & that to be issued when it already is.
    Last edited by Docman; 15 August 2012, 02:19.

  • #2
    17 may not be a good idea. While austerity exists, you also have a much smaller pool paying sub. To reduce Sub further would make the total collected barely enough to cover stationary costs.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Docman View Post
      http://www.rdfra.ie/motions.asp

      Motions submitted for conference 2012


      Discuss!

      I like the idea that they are finally putting them on the website and not trying to hide them like they have done previously. For once, the ordinary member can actually see them.
      And the number of motions are way down. And gone are the usual rash of ones looking for this & that to be issued when it already is.
      The motions being on the site may be a double edged sword - DOD will know the agenda, but it is more open.

      The thing about issues is PDF personnel refusing to issue kit on the scale of issue.

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      • #4
        At first glance nothing too outrageous .

        However, no.8 : The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to negotiate with the Military Authorities that any recruitment to the RDF in the future would be carried out separately to the PDF, and that potential recruits enlisted to the RDF would not be eligible for employment in the PDF until a twelve month training period had elapsed.

        Not sure if thats a runner, given the stop/start nature of PDF recruiting would anyone wishing to go into the PDF risk joining the RDF and potentially disqualifying themselves for a year ? I can see why it was suggested, but dont see it as a runner imo.
        Anyone need a spleen ?

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        • #5
          No.8
          The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to negotiatewith the Military Authorities that any recruitment to the RDF in the future would be carried out separately to the PDF, and that potential recruits enlisted to the RDF would not be eligible for employment in the PDF until a twelve month training period had elapsed.
          My view would be that all recruitment be centralised. All people wishing to apply should go through the same process. Psychometric, fitness, interview. Putting a 12month contract clause to the RDF would filter those who are looking to just mark time before entering PDF and those who see part time as more fitting to their lives.
          However my belief is that recruitment needs to be centralised for the entire defence forces and constant phased training - moving away from bulk induction of huge recruit numbers.
          "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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          • #6
            No. 10
            The Annual Delegate Conference directs the National Executive to ensure that the current rural based sub units of the reserve defence force are retained, and where the reorganisation of the Defence Forces takes place that no effect is inflicted on the sub units concerned.
            Unlikely. All units both PDF and RDF will be affected in some way by the Re-Org. VFM is out within next 2 months so will answer that one with what I assume will be cold hard reality.
            "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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            • #7
              How much do RDFRA get from the Govt?
              Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
              Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
              The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
              The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
              The best lack all conviction, while the worst
              Are full of passionate intensity.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ZULU View Post
                Unlikely. All units both PDF and RDF will be affected in some way by the Re-Org. VFM is out within next 2 months so will answer that one with what I assume will be cold hard reality.
                How many times have we heard that!!

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                • #9
                  Was Motion 12 suggested by PDFORRA?
                  You're even dumber than I tell people

                  You might have been infected but you never were a bore

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                    How much do RDFRA get from the Govt?

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                    • #11
                      I think 17 would be suicide for the organisation.
                      12 is flogging a dead horse, there should be a motion in instead that should insist that an RDF unit be allowed exist regardless as to what happens to their cadre.
                      The second part of 8 is dodgy.

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                      • #12
                        Re no.17 reducing the rate of subscription. I would ve assumed that with numbers in the RDF falling that there would also be a similar fall in RDFRA's membership although probably not as severe, so how do they plan to finance themselves if they are going to slash the rate ?

                        Either the rate was too high and they ve a sizeable piggy bank, they are planning on cutting the running costs or they hope to recieve greater funding.

                        Its an admirable move to make but it could prove very costly if in the end they end up in debt
                        Anyone need a spleen ?

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                        • #13
                          At this stage, these motions haven't been adopted.

                          The way it works is a sub-unit committee (or I think the NE can) suggests something.... it is then voted on at the BDC and if pasted becomes RDFRA policy.

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                          • #14
                            Motions are submitted by sub-units, they are vetted by the standing orders committee and as long as they are not outside the scope of representation or have been passed (and are therefore already policy) by an ADC in the last 3 years then they go before the ADC. It will be up to people on the day to speak against it if they think it is bad for the association.

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                            • #15
                              Folks..
                              Can you not see the Government is getting damn all back from the existence of the
                              Reserves, the Naval Reserve sublement the fulltimers on the Vessels, i believe..
                              However what in the name of Jaysus do the Army reserves do...
                              the VFM report should be interesting...
                              By the way i spend nearly 20 in the FCA/RDF and comparing to what the Garda Reserves do, there's a big difference..
                              Garda Reserves turn up mainly on a friday or a Saturday night which can be busy, get their €1,000 a year..whereas you could turn up for weekend and get marked in for 8 hours..might be a paid weekend or mightn't...

                              Nice fancy motions but tell me i'm wrong the RDFRA is peopled by older members and for the most part RDF Officers..
                              i would love to see the RDF as been usefull for doing something beside Guard duties for the PDF..but the Cival Defence are more hands on...

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