UK Royal Marines arrested in murder inquiry

[Orion]

Seven Royal Marines have been arrested on suspicion of murder, the UK's Ministry of Defence (MoD) has said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19918398

[Sluggie]

http://news.sky.com/story/996601/royal-marine-arrests-prompted-by-laptop-video

Seems that they are suspected of killing a wounded prisioner.

The cops arrested one of them for something else and checked his laptop. Found an incriminating video.

[Goldie fish]

Rule 1. NBC!.

[Keef]

"I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6"

[The real Jack]

Seriously how ****ed up is the UK government that something as bizarre as this can happen? What's next ****ing sueing people for shooting terrorists? If you send them to "war" you should support them at least.

[Goldie fish]

Seriously how ****ed up is the UK government that something as bizarre as this can happen? What's next ****ing sueing people for shooting terrorists? If you send them to "war" you should support them at least.

Reports are the terrorist was shot after he was taken prisoner. The RM are not employed as exocutioners..

[hptmurphy]

Bollocks its a war, there will be casualties, if it were a war that was being fairly fought by both sides I might be have some sympathy, but given the nature of whats happening to men and women being maimed and killed in the name of some elses god, I really couldn't give a shit if the whole RM went ape and removed a few more of the bastards.

[DeV]

Incidents such as these only encourage insurgency.

[GoneToTheCanner]

There was also a widely available video of Northern Alliance soldiers shooting dead a wounded Taliban, in the presence of US troops. They stripped the guy of his few possessions and then riddled him in the middle of a track and left him there. No attempt was made to treat his wounds or pass him over to the Americans. it's gun law out there, always has been. The RMPs are gettting a lot of flak for this one, but it's gone out of the hands of ordinarry soldiers now.

regards
GttC

[sofa]

Bollocks its a war, there will be casualties, if it were a war that was being fairly fought by both sides I might be have some sympathy, but given the nature of whats happening to men and women being maimed and killed in the name of some elses god, I really couldn't give a shit if the whole RM went ape and removed a few more of the bastards.

BA has a history of going cowboy in the counties they have been in.

[hptmurphy]

This one is different, the whole concept of war has changed, the weapons, how the weapons work vehicles targets and victims.

One side is still working from the Hague convention the other is working from a religous fervour going back to the crusades which has only been re invigorated recently and so are the actions legitimate and are the actions carried out by the 'enemy' legitimate ruses or war so do they deserve recognition

Take a look at the Commando order under Hitler, might be considered harsh, but it could be considered legal.

Drawing up the rules base on passed wars might need to be adjusted in the future especially bearing in mind what the engagements are based on

[sofa]

Can a small county, third world army, fight a war on there first world enemys terms.

PS I am not a lover of talaban scum, but a road side bomb is a poor man's B52

[pym]

If you use the techniques and behaviour of "the bad guys", then what are you fighting for then? Justice, democracy? Seriously?

War has, and always will be, vile. But if you take the gloves off completely and say anything goes, sanctioned from on high, there can be no pretence of good and bad, only them and us.

So take your pick:

Talk about bringing freedom and democracy to Afghanistan, and set certain limits on what soldiers can do.

Or just say this is about conquest and strategic gain, and rights can **** off.

Bear in mind, they've just been arrested and will thus be afforded due process. Unlike the chaps on the other side who are so fond of beheadings and other fun.

[FCA Trooper]

BA has a history of going cowboy in the counties they have been in.

If BA really 'went cowboy in the counties they have been in' they'd have cleaned up the shitty mess I presume you're referring to in a matter of months, and you wouldn't have a shower of thugs still committing crime in the name of republicanism today.
They never really took the gloves off, a handful of incidents aside.

[hptmurphy]

War has, and always will be, vile. But if you take the gloves off completely and say anything goes, sanctioned from on high, there can be no pretence of good and bad, only them and us.

This 'war' doesn't need to be fought, its pointless, one could argue all wars are, but the specific reason for attacking Afghanistan was achieved when the Taliban after 9/11.

The object was achieved, Bin Laden was on the run and the Taliban were removed from power, now if those who succeeded them couldn't remain in power without significant input from the west it just was meant to be.

Afghanistan has proved to be ungovernable in the conventional sense since colonial times and the Brits forgot what history taught them.

A whole generation of soldiers have served with this 'action' being their primary objective, They have been brainwashed into thinking its winable..its not.

Its another Vietnam, we are only seeing the tip of the ice berg, when this is finally closed down the casualty list of those who came home damaged for life mentally and physically is going to be far greater than those dead, and its going to effect another generation.

American and European involvement in these countries in that past 11 years has proved nothing, other than Sadaam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden were killed...how many people have been colateral damage around these two people.

If the Taliban want 'quarter' come out and fight conventionally , accept defeat if that is the outcome, but when your enemy takes on your methods, while their maybe no moral high ground, accept what you get because you have it coming.

To those who direct these operations from a far and fail to understand why such incidents occur, this is no 1944 0r 1916, where battles were fought in a very different manner and men could be removed from the front line, these guys live in the front line and rarely know who the enemy are and while their training is relatively conventional , conditioning is the problem.

If you won't let them fight and prosecute the war without question, take them home and leave it to Afghanistan to sort out its own problems.

Is it really worth any more young mens lives dying for something that has no tangible results?