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Originally posted by Docman View PostWhich do you think has more clout at the cabinet table? IBEC or the RDF. IBEC don't want it - that is the end of the discussion.I knew a simple soldier boy.....
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.
In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain.
And no one spoke of him again.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
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Originally posted by kermitWhat would employment protection give you that you haven't already?I knew a simple soldier boy.....
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.
In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain.
And no one spoke of him again.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
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I should add that most who actually want the org to do well don't go on like thatI knew a simple soldier boy.....
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.
In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain.
And no one spoke of him again.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
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Would have been nice if they looked at the RMR rather than the TA. A bit more comparable size wise.
7000 regular self sufficient, incl their own heli air wing. 700 -1000 reservists comprising of a mixture of ex regular and straight from civilian.
Looks to be a success story. 60% have served on combat operations, or in full time service.
In terms of kpi's they pass the same bench marks as their regular counter parts. Even wear the same beret (when earned of course)
Much more required in terms of committment but are rewarded for it with mileage and all aspect of training paid ( apart from their personal duty to meet the fitness standard)
Personnaly I prefer quality over quantity. If it takes someone half the time to learn something and still meets the same bench mark I will not judge negatively because they havent the "time" done. More respect to them IMO.
Personnally I think it's insulting to ask for professionalism and give nothing in return by asking professionals in civilian life to provide pro bono services to the Df. Last time I checked we were not a charity"The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"
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Originally posted by ZULU View PostPersonnally I think it's insulting to ask for professionalism and give nothing in return by asking professionals in civilian life to provide pro bono services to the Df. Last time I checked we were not a charity
A 24 hour duty in general is utter shite... Asking someone to do one, for free, is nothing short of madness.
A question, who made the decision when it came to which option to take? As in the 4000 troops with no grat but rural centres, or the 2000 odd troops, with grat and occupied barracks only? Whoever did, really did make the wrong decision in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Big Al View PostAt the end of the week/month have a look at your payslip, look at the amount of PAYE,PRSI & USC you are handing over and then think of this line from the VFM report "In addition members of the Reserve with professional skills from their civilian lives should be afforded the opportunity to assist the PDF in a voluntary unpaid capacity."
I am getting a little sick of this crap.
Not the gov crap but the IMO whinger crap!!!
There are hundreds of posts on this site whinging about recognition of skills but as soon as a report comes out saying that skills should not only be recognised but actually utillised the whingers jump up objecting!!!
IF you are a bus driver why shouldn't you drive a bus for the RDF.
This is just more of the I want to play by my rules??
I onlty want to train at what I want to do.
Finally the MA has to say what can the RDF do for us?
How can they be useful?
For the first time there might be a real purpose but the nay sayers have started already.
We can't do that becase............................
EVERY recommendation in that report has been voiced here.
The bottom line was always going to be to reduce costs. Anyone that doesn't like it can now go away.
You already know that the MA wont care.
As for job protection, when is it going to become clear - IT's NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. So give it up!!!!
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Originally posted by kermitHaving less holidays is one of the costs of being a reservist.
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Why not drive a bus for the DF? Because even though the DF has said they will they will recognise civvy skills you still need to do at least 3 driving courses before getting the bus driving course!
I've done at least 7 days (think the most I did was 21) every year since I joined and always used my annual leave (in the most of that time I only got 20 days hols).
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Originally posted by Rhodes View PostHow do Retained Firefighters, Mountain Rescue Teams, RNLI operate? Do any of them have anything like employment protection?I knew a simple soldier boy.....
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.
In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain.
And no one spoke of him again.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
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Guy's if you look at the press release on the rte news website this is the second last paragraph in relation to the unpaid duties. http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1120/sha...ing-by-50.html
The measures also recommend that further cost-savings be achieved by using reserves to carry out unpaid duties to assist members of the permanent defence forces. However these unpaid duties will not include armed operations.
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