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  • #16
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    The Austrian Army has placed an order for an additional 225 Pandur Evolution 6×6 armoured vehicles in 12 variants for €1.8 billion. That's a massive €8 million per vehicle.
    100 Pandur EVOs are already on order, bringing the total to 325 Pandur EVOs in service by 2032 with an option for 150 more.

    From what I understand by using Google Translate, the MTPz is the main infantry APC variant fitted with an RWS armed with a 12.7mm HMG.
    Conversion kits will be supplied to allow MTPz vehicles to be converted to Anti-Tank (PAL), replacing the Saab Bill AT missile, Command (Fu) and Ambulance (SAN).

    The other variants will be Air Defence (FIA), fitted with the Rheinmetall Skyranger 30 turret with a 30mm gun and Mistral missiles.
    Joint Fire Support (JFS), Electronic intelligence ELINT (ERFOS), Electronic Warfare (STORSYS), Engineer (Pi), C3 (FuU), Recce (Aufkl) and Mortar (SGrW), fitted with an Elbit 120mm mortar turret.
    Last edited by Rhodes; 25 February 2024, 13:28.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
      Click image for larger version Name:	Pandur Evolution.jpg Views:	0 Size:	108.4 KB ID:	742710

      The Austrian Army has placed an order for an additional 225 Pandur Evolution 6×6 armoured vehicles in 12 variants for €1.8 billion. That's a massive €8 million per vehicle.
      100 Pandur EVOs are already on order, bringing the total to 325 Pandur EVOs in service by 2032 with an option for 150 more.

      From what I understand by using Google Translate, the MTPz is the main infantry APC variant fitted with an RWS armed with a 12.7mm HMG.
      Conversion kits will be supplied to allow MTPz vehicles to be converted to Anti-Tank (PAL), replacing the Saab Bill AT missile, Command (Fu) and Ambulance (SAN).

      The other variants will be Air Defence (FIA), fitted with the Rheinmetall Skyranger 30 turret with a 30mm gun and Mistral missiles.
      Joint Fire Support (JFS), Electronic intelligence ELINT (ERFOS), Electronic Warfare (STORSYS), Engineer (Pi), C3 (FuU), Recce (Aufkl) and Mortar (SGrW), fitted with an Elbit 120mm mortar turret.
      When you consider the C3, ELINT and EW versions would be considerably more costly than the APC variant, that's not a bad price. 20 years ago we were paying €1m per APC Mowag, by the time we got the 2nd batch, the price had increased to €1.5m. Austria paid €3m per unit for the Pandur Evo in 2016. The Skyranger is also new tech, so shouldnt be too cheap either. I have noticed some questions in Austrian Social media about the unit cost, but remember also GDELS are a strong Austrian Military employer, so there won't be much dissent from the masses.
      I often wonder where we would be if we had gone with Pandur instead of Mowag, given how the Pandur II is identical in most respects to the Piranha III, and both are made by GDELS
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • #18
        We were offered the basic pander back in 1999

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        • #19
          That's what I was heading for. What if we had chosen Pandur.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • #20
            Pandur 1 the vehicle trialed on 1999 was more cramped and lightly armoured than the mowag as an infantry vehicle. It only carries nine including the crew and in body armour it’s very cramped

            On the other hand It’s more airmobile and therefore deployable and easier to maintain which why the us special forces use it.

            Had they decided from the outset on 1997/1999 to choose common vehicle for cavalry and infantry pandur might have been a better choice but you’d have been looking at loosing one soldier from the pso infantry section and joined up thinking at a time when the defence forces had three or four different types of trucks in the same class.

            the pander evo is being touted as the replacement for the fennek the Germans hope to have in place by 2028. It will be interesting to see that vehicle in service and what they use it for.

            Back in 2005 the then Chief of staff gave a mid way appraisal of the then white paper and one of the things he siad that they'd learnt was that there were lots of situations where the Mowag was too sophisticated and he saw a requirement for a smaller less sophisticated APC. I tend to agree, and it will be intresting to see what the LTAV board comes up with
            Last edited by paul g; 28 February 2024, 22:29.

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