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    The author is under the impression it's the RWs first deployment.?

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    Has there been anything other than these on the deployment?

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    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-38194936.html

    Army Rangers set to join UN peace mission in war-torn Mali - Independent.ie
    Irish Army Rangers in training. File photo
    Irish Army Rangers in training. File photo
    June 8 2019 9:01 PM

    A CONTINGENT from the Army Ranger Wing, the special operations group within the Defence Forces, is to join the most dangerous United Nations mission in the world.

    The UN peace enforcement mission, Minusma, in war-torn Mali, has suffered 125 fatal casualties since 2013, including 18 deaths so far this year, as a result of improvised explosive devices, rocket strikes and suicide attacks.

    Approval for the deployment is expected to be given by the Government at a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday, on the recommendation of Defence Minister Paul Kehoe.

    This will be the first deployment of the Rangers as an unit in overseas duties since their special forces role in Chad in 2008.

    More than a dozen Rangers will be sent, either in the late summer or early autumn, and will be based with the mission — on a four-month rotation — for two years.

    The Government adopted a cautious approach to the offer to send the Rangers when it was received last year and Mr Kehoe ordered a comprehensive review of the possibility of Irish deployment with Minusma by military management and his own senior officials.

    This involved getting detailed information on the mission and its operations, consideration of the role which the Defence Forces might carry out there, how such a deployment fitted with military capabilities and a thorough threat analysis and assessment.

    The Rangers are an elite military unit, trained and equipped to undertake a range of specialist roles and their capability is regarded as a significant asset to the State.

    The Rangers have been previously deployed on UN peacekeeping operations in East Timor, Liberia and Chad.

    Minusma is described as a significant UN peace enforcement mission, comprising both regular and special operations forces and high end capabilities.

    The Defence Forces currently have no personnel serving with Minusma but have a detachment with a separate UN mission in Mali, dedicated to training local military.

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    The Irish are all deployed in relatively safe jobs and are not active in danger zones.

    The increasing instability in the Sahel region of sub-Sahara Africa is recognised by the UN as a very significant threat while the area is also the centre of major crime, including people trafficking, unregulated migration, international terrorism and smuggling.

    Ireland has already declared it has a key interest in contributing to security and stability in Western Africa, which is a prime focus of the development aid programme.

    Aid officials are concerned that development cannot progress in the absence of a safe and secure social and economic environment.

    Mr Kehoe is likely to tell his colleagues that, as a committed supporter of UN action in the region, Ireland cannot remain aloof from this international effort, despite the risks involved.

    Having studied the military advice, the minister is expected to recommend that a deployment from the Ranger Wing would have the capacity to contribute to the effectiveness of Minusma in establishing stability.

    As part of the “triple lock mechanism” for military deployment overseas, the Government, with UN and Cabinet approval, will then seek the go-ahead from the Dail. The Ranger Wing will form a “significant element” within a 148-strong military detachment participating in a German-led battlegroup, which will be on stand-by for the second half of 2020.

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    Looks a bit rough there, lots of ethnic and religious conflict running simultaneously

    Nearly 100 people have been killed in an attack in a village in central Mali inhabited by the Dogon ethnic group, reports say.
    The attack happened in Sobane-Kou, near Sanga town in the Mopti region.
    The search for bodies is ongoing, but officials say 95 people have been found dead, with many of the bodies burned.
    There have been numerous attacks in Mali in recent months, some ethnically driven, some carried out by jihadist groups.
    Clashes between Dogon hunters and semi-nomadic Fulani herders are frequent.
    Mali's government said "suspected terrorists" had attacked the village at around 03:00 local time. At least 19 people were still missing, it said.
    But the mayor of nearby Bankass, Moulaye Guindo, told Reuters news agency that Fulanis from that district had attacked Sobane-Kou after nightfall.
    The hunting society accused of a massacre
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    No group has officially said it was responsible for the attack.
    more at
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-48579475
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    200 MINURMA fatalities in just over 6 years

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    Cabinet approval granted for 12 ARW to deploy to MINUSMA on LRRPs mainly with German contingent

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/201...pecial-forces/

    Now going for Dail approval

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    The big parties seem in favour, the small ones against...

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    . Dáil debates proposal to send Army Ranger Wing to Mali
    Updated / Tuesday, 18 Jun 2019 20:22
    Minister Kehoe has proposed that a team of 12 Rangers would conduct long-range intelligence gathering patrols in Mali
    Minister Kehoe has proposed that a team of 12 Rangers would conduct long-range intelligence gathering patrols in Mali
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    Minister of State for Defence Paul Kehoe has said it is understandable that people have concerns about Irish troops participating in a UN mission in Mali.

    A proposal for Ireland's special forces to join the UN mission in Mali was debated in the Dáil this evening.

    The Minister said decisions to put troops in danger are never taken lightly by Government and protecting personnel is always of paramount concern.

    He said he had taken advice from military management who have visited Mali and who know first-hand what is happening there.

    Minister Kehoe has proposed that a team of 12 Rangers would conduct long-range intelligence gathering patrols.

    The team would work closely with the 400-person German contingent in MINUSMA (Multidimensional Integrated Stabilization Mission in Mali).

    The Army Ranger Wing would be serving abroad on a mission for the first time in more than a decade.

    Minister Kehoe said this evening there were significant security measures in place which would give protection to the Irish forces.

    He said Irish forces would be deployed as part of a larger team when carrying out surveillance and intelligence.

    He said the mission was a type of challenge that defence forces train for every day.

    Fianna Fáil's Jack Chambers said his party would be supporting the motion on the advice of military management who had carried out precautions in this region.

    However, he said it was an extremely dangerous mission and was a hot bed for terrorist activity.

    Meanwhile, People Before Profit's Richard Boyd Barrett said they would be opposing the proposal to send Irish rangers to what he described as a "deadly" conflict in Mali.

    He said the political decision being made was a big mistake from the point of view of Ireland's neutrality and from the point of view of the safety of Irish soldiers.

    Deputy Boyd Barrett said it was a French colonial intervention backing the Malian armed forces and he said getting involved in this was a "very dangerous thing to do".

    Sinn Féin's Aengus Ó Snodaigh said France and the UN Security Council say they are in Mali to stop terrorism but he said it was peace enforcement.

    Deputy Ó Snodaigh said the mission was taking sides and was breaching everything that neutrality stands for.

    Independent TD Maureen O'Sullivan asked the Minister if Ireland was getting caught up in a bigger situation than peace keeping.

    She said: "Are we getting caught up in the residue of a colonial coming from French imperialism and their historic role there."

    She said the presence of Irish troops must not facilitate French interests in the area which she said would completely undermine Ireland's reputation when it comes to human rights.

    Labour's Brendan Ryan said they would not be supporting the motion to send troops to Mali.

    He told the Dáil one of the reasons for the party's opposition was due to France's promise to provide military support to the UN mission if required.

    He said Labour was opposed to the mission because the only end game that seemed to be envisaged was one where insurgent groups are defeated.

    He said this pulls the UN away from its traditional stance on neutrality into being a strong supporter of one side of the conflict which he said was a "dangerous precedent".

    A vote on the motion will take place in the Dáil on Thursday.
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    Why don’t the TD’s have to balls to call it what it is peace enforcement and state that it is the right thing to do.

    ONUC - effectly became peace enforcement
    ISAF - peace enforcement
    UNOSOM II - peace enforcement
    UNMIL - peace enforcement
    EUFOR Chad/CAR - peace enforcement
    INTERFET/UNAMET/UNTAET - peace enforcement
    KFOR - peace enforcement
    IFOR/SFOR - peace enforcement
    UNIFIL - since new mandate peace enforcement

    Peace enforcement is legislated for in the Defence Act, it is allowed under the UN Charter, Bunreacht na hEireann says the UN is key.

    It is the safest and most effective form of UN operation.

    Politicians need to educate themselves and deliver facts to those who want “peacekeeping”.... peacekeeping implies there is a peace to keep .... that isn’t always the case




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    Many are unfomfortable with the mission being led by France, Mali's former coloniser.
    It would be Like Belgium leading a Congo Mission, or Turkey leading a Lebanon mission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Many are unfomfortable with the mission being led by France, Mali's former coloniser.
    It would be Like Belgium leading a Congo Mission, or Turkey leading a Lebanon mission.
    None of the most senior appointments are held by the French (Force Commander is Swedish)
    https://minusma.unmissions.org/en/leadership

    France isn’t in the top 10 contributors of either military or police to MINUSMA
    https://minusma.unmissions.org/en/fi...token=JZRLXkIb

    How many French are serving with MINUSMA?:
    14 police officers and 24 military staff officers
    https://peacekeeping.un.org/sites/de..._mission_0.pdf





    There is an independent French mission in Mali and they are also serving (afaik) with the EUTM Mali (as are we)

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    Some people need to get over their post colonial PTSD

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Some people need to get over their post colonial PTSD
    Indeed, these people choose to ignore that in most cases, the ruling regime responsible for colonisation was ousted by it's own people. Suggestions that the actions of these states in a state that may have been a colony under an ousted ruler is a continuation of colonialism is thinly veiled racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Indeed, these people choose to ignore that in most cases, the ruling regime responsible for colonisation was ousted by it's own people. Suggestions that the actions of these states in a state that may have been a colony under an ousted ruler is a continuation of colonialism is thinly veiled racism.
    I am trying but I cannot work out what you are saying here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    I am trying but I cannot work out what you are saying here
    My apologies. I find it hard to construct a sentence when using this site on my phone.
    The likes of pink shirt man in the dail and his fellow travellers like to suggest the Intervention of large nations like France is in Mali a continuation of colonialism.
    France deposed the rulers responsible for colonialism. Its people actively opposed their politics. To my knowledge the Modern French Republic has not colonised anyone. It does however continue to protect the people who decided to remain under french rule or who have french citizenship.
    To suggest the actions of France in Mali is a continuation of colonialism is merely a dressed up way of saying "all french are the same, they are the same people who colonised the world in the 17th century".
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    It may be a different republic that initially colonised the country but in a lot of cases it is the same republic that existed when the country achieved independence. France does like to exert influence when it can over its former colonies. Like pink shirt man I do have some concerns where there is an EU mission (where it can be easily perceived that France has a significant influence), operating in a country that was a former French colony, where France has a significant military presence (not under the control of the EU mission) supporting the government who may or may not be one of the parties that is the subject of the underlying UN mandate. It would be more difficult in those circumstances for any EU nation to be seen as independent. By the way I have not read the mandate so the whole argument may be moot.

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    At least France, gives kinetic military assistance when requested to its former colonies

    Let’s not forget that Mali nearly fell to AQ/IS

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    Lots of Malians and citizens of other former French colonies are quite happy to have France look after the heavy lifting when it comes to fighting terrorists and coincidentally keeping their own rapacious militaries and governments on the straight and narrow. It also has the strategic effect of keeping the Russians and Chinese out or under close watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    It may be a different republic that initially colonised the country but in a lot of cases it is the same republic that existed when the country achieved independence. France does like to exert influence when it can over its former colonies. Like pink shirt man I do have some concerns where there is an EU mission (where it can be easily perceived that France has a significant influence), operating in a country that was a former French colony, where France has a significant military presence (not under the control of the EU mission) supporting the government who may or may not be one of the parties that is the subject of the underlying UN mandate. It would be more difficult in those circumstances for any EU nation to be seen as independent. By the way I have not read the mandate so the whole argument may be moot.
    Possibly akin to Ireland still expecting the UK to defend our airspace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expat01 View Post
    Possibly akin to Ireland still expecting the UK to defend our airspace.
    And if we had UK military based here, they did patrols alongside the Irish DF and they got involved an internal dispute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    And if we had UK military based here, they did patrols alongside the Irish DF and they got involved an internal dispute.
    You mean if we had invited them here to do so because the internal dispute was about to overwhelm the DF and take Dublin. Keep it equivalent.

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    And then when the UN brokered a deal and sent in a force of peacekeepers that included the U.K. and some of its economic allies. Just keeping it equivalent.

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    http://www.opex360.com/2019/06/25/ba...ration-aconit/

    [in French]

    From what I can make out (thank you Google translate) a Gazelle was hit by small arms fire, which started a blaze on board and the crew of three had to make an emergency landing in hostile territory - the sharpshooter was the least injured and managed to get the other two crew out of the burning wreck.. and they were then evacuated by being strapped to the outside of a Eurocopter Tiger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    http://www.opex360.com/2019/06/25/ba...ration-aconit/

    [in French]

    From what I can make out (thank you Google translate) a Gazelle was hit by small arms fire, which started a blaze on board and the crew of three had to make an emergency landing in hostile territory - the sharpshooter was the least injured and managed to get the other two crew out of the burning wreck.. and they were then evacuated by being strapped to the outside of a Eurocopter Tiger.
    One of these Gazelle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    And then when the UN brokered a deal and sent in a force of peacekeepers that included the U.K. and some of its economic allies. Just keeping it equivalent.
    Any of whom Mali could object to.

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    https://news.sky.com/story/uk-to-sen...ssion-11767832

    U.K. is sending 250 troops to MINUSMA

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