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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridge Magnet View Post
    What?

    Use your words Dev.
    No troops missions overseas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridge Magnet View Post
    Any Minister who believes we should be doing more than going back to the Leb for the billionth time, is doing something right in my books.
    Doing more? You mean less.
    What's your problem with Lebanon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Even if it means go troop missions overseas?
    i'm assuming you mean 'no troop missions..' and i'm not poking, my spelling is so bad its a wonder anyone can read it - anyway, i suppose it depends: if his view is that ONH needs restructuring, training in its new structures, and possibly some new bits of shiny, and then he intends to use it overseas in a harder, sharper way than it has been used since Congo in the 60's, then i think that a hiatus in overseas jobs is understandable, though i think that operational service, of almost any kind, is a fundamental part of keeping an Army sharp and evolving, rather than being barracks bound and paralysed by inertia.

    if however his view is that he thinks a harder, sharper ONH can be created while ending large scale operational deployments and just using ARW as the govts 'go to' foreign policy tool, then i think he's going to get a nasty shock when the money spent on making ONH more combat capable gets atrophied by sitting at home.

    i hope that the current situation will, both as ONH settles down into its new configuration, and as the 'resources envelope' gets less tight, see ONH start to flex its new found muscles with participation in big EU/NATO exercises, and then move back into operational deployments and pick up where it left off in Chad, but with more rounded force structures including Artillery and helicopter deployments, as well as finally sending the NS on an operational overseas deployment.

    the truth is that for political reasons he may well not be able to sketch such a plan out in public, and i accept that it may not infact be the plan, but for the moment its the best that can be hoped for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    completed 4 of the missions you list above and spent 6 years in Cyprus - thankfully none of those involved my hands tied behind my back wearing the 'Blue Beret' of the UN.

    there is a big difference to a UN mandated mission (most involves war fighting) where you get to wear your own beret and a UN mission (most involves peace keeping) where you wear that of the UN.
    6 years in Cyprus protecting the SBA, not keeping the peace between the 2 sides!

    Definite differences but what is the cause? The mandate decided by the US, Russia, UK, France & China!

    The other major difference being who picks up the bill!



    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    i'm assuming you mean 'no troop missions..' and i'm not poking, my spelling is so bad its a wonder anyone can read it - anyway, i suppose it depends: if his view is that ONH needs restructuring, training in its new structures, and possibly some new bits of shiny, and then he intends to use it overseas in a harder, sharper way than it has been used since Congo in the 60's, then i think that a hiatus in overseas jobs is understandable, though i think that operational service, of almost any kind, is a fundamental part of keeping an Army sharp and evolving, rather than being barracks bound and paralysed by inertia.

    if however his view is that he thinks a harder, sharper ONH can be created while ending large scale operational deployments and just using ARW as the govts 'go to' foreign policy tool, then i think he's going to get a nasty shock when the money spent on making ONH more combat capable gets atrophied by sitting at home.

    i hope that the current situation will, both as ONH settles down into its new configuration, and as the 'resources envelope' gets less tight, see ONH start to flex its new found muscles with participation in big EU/NATO exercises, and then move back into operational deployments and pick up where it left off in Chad, but with more rounded force structures including Artillery and helicopter deployments, as well as finally sending the NS on an operational overseas deployment.

    the truth is that for political reasons he may well not be able to sketch such a plan out in public, and i accept that it may not infact be the plan, but for the moment its the best that can be hoped for.
    Here is an example of a speech - http://www.defence.ie/WebSite.nsf/Sp...0?OpenDocument

    No where does it say that Ireland will lead the way in the EU

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    its that if you're wearing a dark green uniform in 45c of blinding sunlight in the desert you'll be sweating like a blind lesbian in a fish shop, and you'll stick out like the bollocks on a bulldog. neither of which are good for military efficiency...
    that's why it looks chippy and it's wrong.

    granted the Royal Irish lads look like cowboys but that's par for the course when wearing the issued junglie - the ONH soldier doesn't even have a complete matching uniform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    ...No where does it say that Ireland will lead the way in the EU
    one would assume that if Shatter, and Kenny, had no intention of being involved in such things, they'd be keeping their holes shut on the subject so as not to draw attention to it.

    they'd be pretty dumb to make the kind of speeches you've posted if the intention was to do squat and go nowhere... why take political heat from the soap-dodgers and shinners for no reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    that's why it looks chippy and it's wrong.

    granted the Royal Irish lads look like cowboys but that's par for the course when wearing the issued junglie - the ONH soldier doesn't even have a complete matching uniform.
    Still don't know if "chippy" means good or bad...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    one would assume that if Shatter, and Kenny, had no intention of being involved in such things, they'd be keeping their holes shut on the subject so as not to draw attention to it.

    they'd be pretty dumb to make the kind of speeches you've posted if the intention was to do squat and go nowhere... why take political heat from the soap-dodgers and shinners for no reason?
    They do so all the time!!!

    Due to the EU Presidency they are talking on behalf of the EU, not Ireland. They call upon the members states to do X, Y and Z (that doesn't necessarily involve Ireland).

    Same way the UNSC calls for eg a UN force in DRC and then don't provide any troops.

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    they should be taking an interest they are national politicians responsible for taxpayers money and their security but fair dues I could not see the likes of Ivan Yates ( when he was a TD) there.. Also true about let those without bellys but there are a few pounds and a belly ,, thay are bellies but I guess just look at the general pub;lic , second most obese nation in the europe I think .next to the UK .
    Living and working in places where a either a combination of good weather, sports culture, lack of food, general skinnies etc results in me always noticing when I first come "home " the beer guts , even on the vodka swilling women..
    No pictures please .

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    The UN has agreed to a 11200 strong peacekeeping mission in Mali. It will be called Multidimensional Integrated Stabilisation Mission in Mali (MINUSMA). Basically the AFISMA force will be giving blue berets. The change over will be on 1st July. The UN have already started shipping equipment over.

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    The MINUSMA website is already up.
    http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/minusma/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    The UN has agreed to a 11200 strong peacekeeping mission in Mali. It will be called Multidimensional Integrated Stabilisation Mission in Mali (MINUSMA). Basically the AFISMA force will be giving blue berets. The change over will be on 1st July. The UN have already started shipping equipment over.
    Plus troops from UNOCI and UNMIL

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    Getting the job done french style!


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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    Getting the job done french style!
    Yes, check out this piece:

    Europe's army? Guess what, it's the French

    I've always been interested in the French army's ability to speed elite forces into foreign operations with a unique blend of stylish panache and secrecy.

    You'll have seen the latest example in France's current operation in Mali against al-Qaeda linked insurgents who, back in January, were threatening to take over the beleaguered sub-Sahara nation.

    There, in quick sequence, you had sharply tailored French units arriving and the world's media given brief photo-ops of the first moves toward combat in the country's rugged north.

    Malians seemed grateful, the UN approved, French pride soared.

    It was an impressive display. Then, right on cue, the curtain of secrecy slammed down.


    More at link.
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    Whats the story on any French casualties?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    On other occasions he has sent the Junior minister in his place, who knows nothing of the questions being answered other than what is on the script the good civil servant in the pit to his right provided him.
    Certainly, judging by appearances this would seem to be a very accurate statement. I wonder if someone might take him aside (it might take awhile) and explain to him that even if he does know nothing that perhaps he should close his mouth, learn to put his hands by his sides when taking a salute, stop using Dunnes Stores for his sartorial requirements, polish his shoes now and then and try to give the impression that he was not suddenly 'beamed up' from a crowd of supporters in Croke Park, an institution which appears to be his one and only forte.
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    Infantry Corps - An Lámh Comhrac


    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Couple of videos and pictures here.Nice to see our new UBACS in use.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/d...ng-mali-troops
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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    It's a shame all the pics and vids are coming from the UK government and the BBC (though fair play for covering it) and none of it from RTÉ or the Irish gov.
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    It wouldn't be good VFM

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    The response given on the DF facebook page as to why any photos of our troops in Mali were not up on the DF Flickr page was lame to say the least.
    Infantry Corps - An Lámh Comhrac


    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Yes it was.

    Any chance of some photos of the work our troops are doing out in Mali being put up on the Flickr page??
    we are having difficulties getting photos from Mali.....the computer connectivity is poor.

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    No point in given our middle class left wingers something to get on the telly with.

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    I hope this hasn't already gone up,

    I know the person in question, great Soldier lovely person as well.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/d...ng-mali-troops

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    See post 93.
    Infantry Corps - An Lámh Comhrac


    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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