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    They are.All flashes have been on issue for the last few years.Lanyards for the last year or so. Standardised size too.No more titanic bow lines or pullthroug
    Wasn't aware of that thank you!

    Excuses excuses.See my last point about the flashes.Lame excuse.
    If everything has been standardized and on issue why not red patches on Glengarrys?

    They just use the army issue red felt
    Please show me on the scale of issue, red felt for the making of patches for Glengarrys
    Time for another break I think......

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    The brits tradition dat eback centuries and are eschewed by the distinct class sytem that they have had being someone or others subject.

    When the aristocracy could invent a regiment and become a colonel in chief it was a right to pick the colours etc - always a prince or duke with a penchant for colour coordination.

    In a republic i think this is not need - the BLue Hussars were our version and you could argue that they should have been kept and on horse back too - give the equitation school a real purpose

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    If everything has been standardized and on issue why not red patches on Glengarrys?
    I dunno to give the Cav something to do now the AML's are gone


    Please show me on the scale of issue, red felt for the making of patches for Glengarrys
    Bks tailors have it.Along with velcro,thread,marking chalk,buttons......See where I am going with this??
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    "Patch pride"? gimme a break More shite to put on the uniform more like.I said it before.We have a TRF.Its called the tricolour!!

    TRF's promote one upmanship,bickering,punch ups down the town when other units meet each other.If that's "force betterment" you can keep it.

    Bollox.The USMC don't have the "Regimental system" and the nearly coined the phrase Esprit de corps.One Badge.one allegiance.One force.

    Again.Bollox.The DF has it's own traditions and bells and whistles.We don't need to import another armies traditions to make us feel like soldiers.

    We have those too.They are called medals.And Bonaparte was wrong.Soldiers fight for the guy beside them.Not a country/flag/piece of ribbon or even medals.
    It's each to their own I suppose. Again I'm looking at it from both perspectives and in my own opinion and experience I feel that having unit identifers whether it's a flash, cap badge, beret, whatever does promote a deeper sense of identity and pride with that unit. Which I'd argue improves collective performance. Practically, it also makes it easy to identify what human resources you have at a glance. The flip side of that is that by not having unit identifiers it makes intelligence gathering that little more difficult when looking upon a group of DF troops.

    The USMC does have a proud history of battles to its name which lends itself to the aggressive culture of that corps, simply being a marine carries a degree of prestige. With the greatest of respect, the DF doesn't have such a (dare I say) glorious heritage of warfare and battles won. It's not what it's about, so I wouldn't necessarily make direct comparison between the two.

    Also, my interpretation of Napoleon's quote was that the "piece of ribbon" meant the national flag. I'm probably wrong on that.

    I'm not saying you have to agree with me. I'm not looking to make a conversion here.

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    Not much point unless you do coloured helmets!!!!!

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    Hence the TRFs

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    The small size of the DF would make it expensive.

    Most of the corps units now only have 3 units (1 in each Bde and 1 in the DFTC). This means some of the corps could have less than 200 people, so you decide to buy a different colour, that then means 3 different clothing stores have hold say 10 berets of 10 different sizes.

    They should have put Velcro on the new shirts and smocks to allow for the overseas Ireland flash, overseas unit flashes, UN flash etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    I dunno to give the Cav something to do now the AML's are gone



    Bks tailors have it.Along with velcro,thread,marking chalk,buttons......See where I am going with this??
    What's a bks tailor? What do they do when not sewing felt patches onto glengarries?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    They should have put Velcro on the new shirts and smocks to allow for the overseas Ireland flash, overseas unit flashes, UN flash etc
    Agree.

    I don't think there is any need to change the berets. Velcro and some subdued patches would be relatively inexpensive. I'd be very proud to wear my Bn's insignia on my arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colonel decker View Post
    For some reason I just can't pin down I keep thinking that the Transport Corps should wear a brown beret.
    I know you are just waiting for someone to ask you why.

    But corps berrets for tpt would be realy silly.

    Firstly, half the time they don't wear their berrets.

    Secondly alot of the time they are driving for other units.
    Either they are attached to that unit or they do a drop and run.
    Either way you wont see them for long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    What's a bks tailor? What do they do when not sewing felt patches onto glengarries?
    If you have to ask that.What do you think a Bks TAILORdoes?

    I'd be very proud to wear my Bn's insignia on my arm.
    You do.Everytime you put on your SD's.We have unit flashes on the sleeves of our SD's.The BA doesn't.The BA make their troops buy coloured stable belts and TRF's and make them wear TRF's on their CAMOUFLAGED COMBAT UNIFORM(kinda defeats the purpose).We choose not to put bright coloured badges on ours with the exception of the tricolour which I grant you should only be worn on the outer garment and be velcro backed for interchangeability and covertness when required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwiftandSure View Post
    Agree.

    I don't think there is any need to change the berets. Velcro and some subdued patches would be relatively inexpensive. I'd be very proud to wear my Bn's insignia on my arm.
    There is no need for patches outside of barracks/camp apart from UN, Ireland, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    There is no need for patches outside of barracks/camp apart from UN, Ireland, etc
    There's no NEED to wear a beret either. A baseball cap would be more practical.

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    See post 32

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    Bks tailors have it.Along with velcro,thread,marking chalk,buttons......See where I am going with this??
    Wasone in Clonmel, we used to send out to get alterations done privately regardless..but then again I used to do my own!

    WE even had a cobbler in Haulbowline, any left in the army? Was a barber in Clonmel as well, although no one ever let him cut their hair!

    Anyway back to Glengarrys, as its only one unit in the DF wears them..why bother.....I'm actually the director of Cav should rule on this......which reminds me. I did see OC 1 Cav at some function recently with his lanyard on the wrong sleeve...and no one pulled him before he went outside..!!

    A baseball cap would be more practical
    Emmm no ...we had that disater back in the early eighties..along with Ho Chi Minh Jackets.......never again

    There is no need for patches outside of barracks/camp apart from UN, Ireland, etc
    Wanna bet!! Try Kilworth in the middle of a PSO with 350 RDF guys swanning around the place and your are looking for a guy from x BN......and lets face it when you get around to RDF berets.. they all look the same to me!!!! Its a disaster....

    We choose not to put bright coloured badges on ours with the exception of the tricolour which I grant you should only be worn on the outer garment and be velcro backed for interchangeability and covertness when required
    You might bring up that point with all the higher ups who recently acquired all that nice reds stuff on the collars of their DPMS Staff Officers...I'm sure you'll make your point elequently!
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    Time for another break I think......

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    Those without the red patch on their glengarries are ignoring a DFR.

    Are PSOs not long gone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    If you have to ask that.What do you think a Bks TAILORdoes?


    You do.Everytime you put on your SD's.We have unit flashes on the sleeves of our SD's.The BA doesn't.The BA make their troops buy coloured stable belts and TRF's and make them wear TRF's on their CAMOUFLAGED COMBAT UNIFORM(kinda defeats the purpose).We choose not to put bright coloured badges on ours with the exception of the tricolour which I grant you should only be worn on the outer garment and be velcro backed for interchangeability and covertness when required.
    Answer the question. Because most real tailors make items of clothing, or do alterations, neither of which is a full time necessity in a modern defence forces.

    So, answer the question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    I did see OC 1 Cav at some function recently with his lanyard on the wrong sleeve...and no one pulled him before he went outside..!!
    Don't the Cav Corps wear their langers on a different side to everyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Answer the question. Because most real tailors make items of clothing, or do alterations, neither of which is a full time necessity in a modern defence forces.

    So, answer the question.
    The barrack tailors have a busy enough job. They are responsible for the alterations of uniforms for all members of the bn, mainly the other ranks, but officers sometimes get things done as well. They are flat out when it comes to GOH's, GOC's etc and there are now three companies of RDF to tailor for as well. Tailors also carry out regular duties that any other soldier would and there's plenty of times that they aren't at the workbench because they're off doing various other things. In addittion people going on courses may get bits and pieces of kit altered accordingly.

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    Wasn't one in Clonmel, used to have to send out to get alterations done privately
    Oh really??Would you like to put money on it??(I would advise against that as you would loose.He retired last year and before that he was the Bn tailor serving Clonmel AND Limerick).

    WE even had a cobbler in Haulbowline, any left in the army? Was a barber in Clonmel as well, although no one ever let him cut their hair!
    No they don't run cobbler courses any more as the boots all have direct molded soles.Barbers courses yes.Sent out to Civi street to be trained up.New barbers shops in Collins and Sarsfield bks and they are good barbers.
    Anyway back to Glengarrys, as its only one unit in the DF wears them..why bother.....
    Because it is a Dress instruction signed by D Admin.You know one of those things we in the Military call an order.

    You might bring up that point with all the higher ups who recently acquired all that nice reds stuff on the collars of their DPMS Staff Officers...I'm sure you'll make your point elequently!
    I will give you that one .I forgot about the general staff.My bad. Having said that A9 does dictate that general staff in the field only wear subdued rank markings.Seeing as they rarely go in the field I guess we wont see that anytime soon
    Those without the red patch on their glengarries are ignoring a DFR.
    Actually an Admin instruction but it has the DFR behind it so yeah.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Answer the question. Because most real tailors make items of clothing, or do alterations, neither of which is a full time necessity in a modern defence forces.

    So, answer the question.
    Northie answered the question before I got there.Tailors course ran by the ordnance school with teaching and work experience through Griffith college I believe.New syllabus only out since 2013.So I guess somebody must think we need tailors in an organisation that has many different shapes and sizes in it and wants them all to look uniform.I believe the recruits about to pass out in my Bks would disagree with you about the need for alterations to their off the shelf SD's and greatcoats.As would every overseas unit about to deploy.
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    The lads on the above mentioned tailors course also got instruction from the tailor from Collins bks cork he is apparently finishing his fashion degree and is by all a accounts a gifted guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    The barrack tailors have a busy enough job. They are responsible for the alterations of uniforms for all members of the bn, mainly the other ranks, but officers sometimes get things done as well. They are flat out when it comes to GOH's, GOC's etc and there are now three companies of RDF to tailor for as well. Tailors also carry out regular duties that any other soldier would and there's plenty of times that they aren't at the workbench because they're off doing various other things. In addittion people going on courses may get bits and pieces of kit altered accordingly.
    Thanks, was genuinely asking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saab View Post
    I know you are just waiting for someone to ask you why.
    There's a reason why that pillock is on my ignore list, Saab...

    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    ...and there are now three companies of RDF to tailor for as well...
    Last time I approached a Bks tailor to get stuff done, the answer I got was "I don't do stuff for RDF..." - bellend... :(
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    Don't the Cav Corps wear their langers on a different side to everyone else?
    yep

    said same officer turned up wearing it on the left!!!!

    Oh really??Would you like to put money on it??(I would advise against that as you would loose.He retired last year and before that he was the Bn tailor serving Clonmel AND Limerick).
    Was he based in Clonmel ?

    care to pm me a name, just never knew there was a barrack tailor in Clonmel, SQMS used to send stuff out for adjustment up the town to a guy who had been an army tailor years ago.

    Actually an Admin instruction but it has the DFR behind it so yeah.
    My reckoning on it would be the fact they are issued without a red patch no one has been arsed enforcing the regulation but in saying that our PDF cadre wore the red patch on theirs, but it didn't come supplied. But PDF units without a reserve element didn't beyond the 2nd.

    So I wonder what happens these days where you have reservists and PDF in the single force concept,,how does the elitism fare out?

    So begs the question whats the instruction for the RDF if the PDF wear a red patch that doesn't come fitted, should the RDF wear a green patch as per RDF berets?
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Wasn't one in Clonmel.................
    There was one there in August 1997. He altered SD No. 1's for us for a GOC Guard of Honour

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