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  • Looks like the Irish Navy are going too... http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0423/696085-migrants/
    'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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    • Originally posted by spider View Post
      ...Plus two 'Patrol Boats'...I'm curious about that. Is it Archer Class / Lifespan PV's from Gibraltar or River Class? .
      i think it'll be whatever hulls the RN can find - i would imagine that the 'patrol' in this statement is ignorant politician speak rather than naval classification speak, he means (almost certainly..) 'ships that will patrol' rather than 'ships that are smaller than Frigates/Destroyers but are not specialist ships like Minesweepers..'.

      personally i'd be surprised if something like a Clyde or smaller were sent to brass up the Libyan coast, theres too much tasty gear lying around should someone decide to take a pop - if we're involved in that side of things i'd expect it would be either a T23 or T45. of course, if Bulwark does go she'll be one of the biggest and most useful assets available to the op and the UK might not feel it was appropriate to put other high value assets into the mix so as to not allow other european states to not bother. the UK will also not be keen to be seen as taking ownership of this problem, and will want to ensure that its 'europeanised' as much as possible.

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      • Are we changing battlegroups?




        The Dáil has accepted by an overwhelming 72 to 25 majority Ireland’s participation in an EU battle group, led by Germany, to be established next year.
        Sinn Féin and members of the technical group of Independent TDs opposed the State signing a memorandum of understanding on the principles surrounding the start-up and operation of the battle group. They argued that it compromised Ireland’s neutrality.
        Other countries involved as well as Germany include, Austria, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Luxembourg and the Netherlands.

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        • I do find Sinn Fein's attachment to Irish neutrality quite nauseating and hypocritical, given their history of taking arms from and giving military support and advice to regimes and groups across the world.

          Mind you, I find Sinn Fein pretty nauseating and hypocritical full stop...
          'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
          'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
          Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
          He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
          http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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          • Originally posted by johnhan278 View Post
            This is going to be our 2nd standby period with the Germans AFAIK

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            • Originally posted by johnhan278 View Post
              A battlegroup forms up for a specified period of time and then disbands. While our preference seems to be part of a Nordic Battlegroup it seems to be policy now to have a battlegroup in place more or less every year, so to do that we have to find other countries to form a battlegroup with. We have previous experience with Germany.

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              • Paul Murphy, Clare Daly, Mick -mad yoke - wallace and the rest of the shinners and PANA's policies on defence and opinions on the neutrality of this state, make me sick to my back teeth. absolute spineless (and in SF's case hypocritical) f**ks the lot of them - they honestly havent a clue.
                "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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                • I find the states policy of neutrality admirable myself and wonder if those who find it nauseating would favour having a referrendum on the issue? I'm also curious if they think they might win it.

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                  • Originally posted by Galloglass View Post
                    I find the states policy of neutrality admirable myself and wonder if those who find it nauseating would favour having a referrendum on the issue? I'm also curious if they think they might win it.
                    A policy of neutrality is not neutrality, just a big smelly lie..
                    "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                    Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                    Illegitimi non carborundum

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                    • Originally posted by Galloglass View Post
                      I find the states policy of neutrality admirable myself and wonder if those who find it nauseating would favour having a referrendum on the issue? I'm also curious if they think they might win it.
                      You'll find the state has a foreign policy of non involvement on a case by case basis controlled under the triple lock agreement.

                      we dont have a neutrality policy.

                      how do you suggest we fund the massive ramp up in defence spending required to defend our constitutional neutrality, as europes other neutral coutnries do it, should it ever come to pass?
                      "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                      "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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                      • Originally posted by Galloglass View Post
                        I find the states policy of neutrality admirable myself and wonder if those who find it nauseating would favour having a referrendum on the issue? I'm also curious if they think they might win it.
                        There is nothing wrong with a policy of neutrality. However, the representatives of an (allegedly retired) terrorist organisation that has had major international links, and carried out "operations" in many countries, are hardly the best placed to take the moral high ground on which conflicts the state should or should not get involved in.

                        Ireland is not neutral in any real sense of the word. It just hides behind a smokescreen which has meant it can avoid meaningful spending on defence, or taking the hard decisions which might discourage somebody from investing. Refusing to take sides in a conflict 75 years ago is not a national policy, it's history. Allowing The USA, Russia, China, France and the UK a veto on the deployment of the Irish Army is not neutrality either - it's just a cop-out.
                        Last edited by Flamingo; 8 October 2015, 23:07.
                        'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                        'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                        Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                        He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                        http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                        • Why would the shinners have a problem with us collaborating with the Germans.

                          Statues have long been divisive in Dublin of course, and the statues of figures associated with the British Empire have long been targeted by Irish republicans. As we’ve featured on Come Here…

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                          • Originally posted by sofa View Post
                            Why would the shinners have a problem with us collaborating with the Germans.

                            http://comeheretome.com/2012/04/20/s...fairview-park/
                            We (what is now the DF) did after all land arms supplied by the Germans in 1914 and 1916

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                            • Our gallant allies in Europe.

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                              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                We (what is now the DF) did after all land arms supplied by the Germans in 1914 and 1916
                                As did the UVF - and Germany supplied them a damn sight more...
                                'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                                'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                                Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                                He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                                http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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