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    Some vehicles were pristine because they were the CO's favourite and others were like rolling junkyards. But, its also neglect as an art form. I recall a lovely Unimog engineering vehicle allowed to rot, rather than fund an overhaul and a few years ago, a mobile crane in the Base Workshops, rotting, despite it's active status,from want of paint on it's critical functioning parts.

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    Some vehicles were pristine because they were the CO's favourite and others were like rolling junkyards. But, its also neglect as an art form. I recall a lovely Unimog engineering vehicle allowed to rot, rather than fund an overhaul and a few years ago, a mobile crane in the Base Workshops, rotting, despite it's active status,from want of paint on it's critical functioning parts. the soldiers can be their own worst enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spider pig View Post
    Nissans are supposed to be off the road. However some have managed to keep them by begging parts and the fitters ???? the Pajero I wouldn’t even bother with

    Afaik more rangers and Hyundai will be bought as GS

    Anyone else see the picture of new wagon? Looks the part
    Some of the GR’s are off road ... literally (as in “the hollow”) but there were definitely some on the road a few months ago

    Wait till they start adding EVs to the white fleet

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    One of the garda RPU Hyundai's spontaneously composted on the M18 last week. Hell no.
    It just suddenly rotted away into organic mush? That would be a surprise for the driver
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    It just suddenly rotted away into organic mush? That would be a surprise for the driver
    Bloody phone. It routinely changes my posts to opinions of it's own. Unlike my PC which quietly spies on me..
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    One of the garda RPU Hyundai's spontaneously combusted on the M18 last week. Hell no.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-car-...44618-Dec2019/
    Went out to check it out....it went fast....

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    That’s what I was saying. There are a couple still in use at my call sign.
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    Think many staff cars are I30 now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Think many staff cars are I30 now?
    They are white fleet... not just staff cars They are used for a lot of jobs that would have used a 4x4 in the past

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    Sir I cant find my peltors........Private they are on your face

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    Toyota selected just in time it seems, Mitsubishi are withdrawing completely from the European market and will stop developing vehicles to meet european regulations.
    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...-models-europe

    Interestingly the article points to Chinese makes being put forward as a replacement for the Japanese brand in the UK market.
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    It looks like out local Mitsubishi dealer was wise to diversify into MG’s
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    It looks like out local Mitsubishi dealer was wise to diversify into MG’s
    Eh... was there no Hillman dealership available? Reliant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Toyota selected just in time it seems, Mitsubishi are withdrawing completely from the European market and will stop developing vehicles to meet european regulations.
    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...-models-europe

    Interestingly the article points to Chinese makes being put forward as a replacement for the Japanese brand in the UK market.
    I drive a Mitsubishi, my second one in the range and will be changing probably next year to a third of the type, all second hand Lancers. Probably the best cars I ever owned. However the move toward hybrid and electric cars bothers me for various reasons and I believe diesel powered vehicles in the SUV / 4 x 4 variety will be non existent within 10 years .

    I should mention that I have never owned a diesel power car nor will either... a true petrol head till the day I die

    So my question being where do the DF see themselves in 10 years in relation to this type of vehicle?

    Will they go green to be PC ?

    Or will specialist military vehicles be exempt from Green Branding ?

    Will militaries , such as us be forced to have specialist vehicles in storage for deployment and our everyday runarounds such as these 4 x 4s become hybrids.

    The Brits and Y have already gone down this road after GW 2 with specialist vehicles such a Jackal , Mastiff etc surplanting soft skinned vehicles and making things like armoured landrovers etc redundant and are looking at vehicles to replace land rover which will no doubt have to have 'green elements' and be less multitasking capable than Landrover

    I wonder what the Irish path will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    I drive a Mitsubishi, my second one in the range and will be changing probably next year to a third of the type, all second hand Lancers. Probably the best cars I ever owned. However the move toward hybrid and electric cars bothers me for various reasons and I believe diesel powered vehicles in the SUV / 4 x 4 variety will be non existent within 10 years .

    I should mention that I have never owned a diesel power car nor will either... a true petrol head till the day I die

    So my question being where do the DF see themselves in 10 years in relation to this type of vehicle?

    Will they go green to be PC ?

    Or will specialist military vehicles be exempt from Green Branding ?

    Will militaries , such as us be forced to have specialist vehicles in storage for deployment and our everyday runarounds such as these 4 x 4s become hybrids.

    The Brits and Y have already gone down this road after GW 2 with specialist vehicles such a Jackal , Mastiff etc surplanting soft skinned vehicles and making things like armoured landrovers etc redundant and are looking at vehicles to replace land rover which will no doubt have to have 'green elements' and be less multitasking capable than Landrover

    I wonder what the Irish path will be.
    With the “white” fleet It is likely that the DF like the rest of the public sector is in the medium term likely to go hybrid/EV for at least some vehicles (there is a small amount already)

    For that “green” fleet it very much depends on how other militaries Go

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    It's all about security of supply. While diesel (or petrol) is readily available and efficient, then it will be the norm. The transition from Petrol to diesel was quite a slow one in military circles, compared to the rest of the transport using world. I see Hybrid becoming more widespread for the next few decades at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    I drive a Mitsubishi, my second one in the range and will be changing probably next year to a third of the type, all second hand Lancers. Probably the best cars I ever owned. However the move toward hybrid and electric cars bothers me for various reasons and I believe diesel powered vehicles in the SUV / 4 x 4 variety will be non existent within 10 years .

    I should mention that I have never owned a diesel power car nor will either... a true petrol head till the day I die

    So my question being where do the DF see themselves in 10 years in relation to this type of vehicle?

    Will they go green to be PC ?

    Or will specialist military vehicles be exempt from Green Branding ?

    Will militaries , such as us be forced to have specialist vehicles in storage for deployment and our everyday runarounds such as these 4 x 4s become hybrids.

    The Brits and Y have already gone down this road after GW 2 with specialist vehicles such a Jackal , Mastiff etc surplanting soft skinned vehicles and making things like armoured landrovers etc redundant and are looking at vehicles to replace land rover which will no doubt have to have 'green elements' and be less multitasking capable than Landrover

    I wonder what the Irish path will be.
    Otakar in Turkey have already displayed an electrically powered recon vehicle.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXZj9YEd8cs
    https://defense.otokar.com.tr/tekerl...x4-zirhli-arac

    The fully electrical version could be a possible "green" replacement for the RG32's, wonder if the DF would qualify for a grant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Otakar in Turkey have already displayed an electrically powered recon vehicle.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXZj9YEd8cs
    https://defense.otokar.com.tr/tekerl...x4-zirhli-arac

    The fully electrical version could be a possible "green" replacement for the RG32's, wonder if the DF would qualify for a grant?
    I can definitely see hybrids becoming more common on the battlefield and the "white Fleet" but I think fully electric vehicle are a no go and will be for a long time to come. The need for an external power source to recharge negates their widespread use bar some specialist roles

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    Quote Originally Posted by apc View Post
    I can definitely see hybrids becoming more common on the battlefield and the "white Fleet" but I think fully electric vehicle are a no go and will be for a long time to come. The need for an external power source to recharge negates their widespread use bar some specialist roles
    It would be interesting to know what the range of such hybrid military vehicles would be, how much power can the battery system supply?
    Would it be enough to allow for a typical UNIFIL patrol including the system needs?
    The latest Japanese submarine has gone fully Al-Lit battery for their AIPS instead of fuel cell, so it might be that batteries are getting to a level that could be useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    It would be interesting to know what the range of such hybrid military vehicles would be, how much power can the battery system supply?
    Would it be enough to allow for a typical UNIFIL patrol including the system needs?
    The latest Japanese submarine has gone fully Al-Lit battery for their AIPS instead of fuel cell, so it might be that batteries are getting to a level that could be useful.
    Typically hybrids have a similar range to their ICE powered equivalents, the only difference being the vehicle is being driven by electric motors, and the engine is used only to charge the battery.
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    While the idea of Scorpion 2 is nice considering we operated Scorpion 1, the Tulpar 105mm that was also shown in the video might might meet a more pressing requirement now that Scorpion 1 is gone.

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    I see the advantages of electric drive, not least environmental, but also full torque from 0 revs for instance. The logistics strike as an utter nightmare. PHEV I could see. Pure electric? Soo many questions.

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    PHEV for deployments could be interesting; get a few PHEV Land Cruisers and do some trials. Then send them along with some solar cells and a wind turbine or two out to our boys in Lebanon and see how they work on such a deployment. The latter of course all being paid by the Department of Transport.

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