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    Javelin anti-tank missile

    "The word 'javelin' comes from the old French word 'javelot', which means spear. Sport aside, the modern military interpretation of the word Javelin, is a "fire-and-forget" missile with pre-launch lock-on and automatic self guidance, and it has been a welcome addition to the Irish Army's Battalion level weapons armoury since 2003. After the weapon has fired, the missile does not need any human intervention and the gunner is free to reload, change position, or avoid enemy countermeasures. That is not to say it does not require skill or care to operate.

    The Javelin has two attack modes: Direct attack and Top attack.

    In direct attack mode, the missile travels to the target using the shortest route possible. This method is useful for covered targets such as bunkers and buildings. In top attack mode, the missile climbs above the target and strikes the roof of the target. This method is effective against armoured vehicles where the roof is the least protected area of the vehicle."


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    Cpl Ryan Kelly engages and destroys an armoured target during his units pre-deployment training in the Glen of Imaal.
    Cpl Kelly is a member of Javelin Platoon, Recce Company, 117 Infantry Battalion and will soon depart for a 6-month tour of duty in South Lebanon.
    The Javelin is a "fire-and-forget" missile with lock-on before launch and automatic self-guidance. This means that after the weapon has fired, the missile does not need any human intervention and the gunner is free to reload, change position, or avoid enemy countermeasures.
    The Javelin has two attack modes:
    • Direct attack
    • Top attack
    In direct attack mode, the missile travels to the target using the shortest route possible. This method is useful for covered targets such as bunkers and buildings.
    In top attack mode, the missile climbs above the target and strikes the roof of the target. This method is effective against armoured vehicles.


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    Another poor panhard ends it's days as all armoured vehicles should.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Looks like it's already been knocked around a bit
    Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!

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    Why don’t they pump them full of concrete (to make the last longer) and leave them in the target area

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Why don’t they pump them full of concrete (to make the last longer) and leave them in the target area
    It is an end-of-life shoot, once they have finished with it then some scrap dealer will come and take it away. If you fill it with concrete then the removal is going to cost a lot more. Plus while there is a lot of "flash-bang" this is a HEAT round so the damage is less than if someone decided to use it as a target for 120mm mortar practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    It is an end-of-life shoot, once they have finished with it then some scrap dealer will come and take it away. If you fill it with concrete then the removal is going to cost a lot more. Plus while there is a lot of "flash-bang" this is a HEAT round so the damage is less than if someone decided to use it as a target for 120mm mortar practice.
    Saw the compound with a lot of Timoney’s and Panhards in it a few years ago. Lots of .5 and 84 shaped holes in them.

    If the more realistic (if static) hard targets are preserved (by filling with concrete) the would last longer and it will prevent the DF having to source cars and 20ft containers as targets. The U.K. do it.

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    Nothing makes you aware of your surroundings in an armoured vehicle, than seeing the damage the first hit of an anti-armour weapon on an older one. When I fired the AML90, our target was a recently retired M3 VTT. The first HEAT round set it alight.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Why don’t they pump them full of concrete (to make the last longer) and leave them in the target area
    You cant light a fire in concrete to create a heat signature.

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    You can build a gully in the concrete for a few marine flares or a petrol fire. Also, the UK have large, heavily armoured tank targets that last for decades, not half inch plate on Panhards that looks like a tinker's vest after a few months.

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    https://assets.publishing.service.go...ap29_DLRSC.pdf
    See page 5

    The Brits also fill them with compacted earth

    You could easily leave a void to allow a fire/flare to be lit

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    You can build a gully in the concrete for a few marine flares or a petrol fire. Also, the UK have large, heavily armoured tank targets that last for decades, not half inch plate on Panhards that looks like a tinker's vest after a few months.
    A marine flare will be burnt out and the heat gone in under a minute. It would also be far too small of a heat signature.
    You may want it to last a few hours and be large enough to lock on to.

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    Well, the heat signature you might be trying to lock onto in a real fight might be a single man hiding behind a breeze block wall or a stand of trees or in a trench (see Azeri drone videos, of late). I'm sure generating a viable heat source on a range is not especially hard to do. You light a fire with range rubbish and wood or petrol and it will leave a heat signature for hours afterwards. It's not impossible. I saw one system where the equivalent of a three-bar fire was built in to a concrete plinth, on top of which the usual canvas and plywood 6 x 6 target was mounted. Thermally, it stuck out like a sore thumb and could be switched on and off at will. Simple but effective. I suspect our national ranges are too confined and out of date by now, for realistic simulation.

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    Simple solution - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Igenix-IG52...38527936&psc=1

    and a loooooooooooooooong extension cable

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