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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    In other words the same as Op Sophia
    But augmented by searching ships suspected of arms smuggling and illicit trade in POL. Sophia was more disrupting people trafficking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    But augmented by searching ships suspected of arms smuggling and illicit trade in POL. Sophia was more disrupting people trafficking.
    People may have been seen as the main focus but Op Sophia also contributed to enforcing the UN arms embargo (since 2016) and oil embargo (since 2017)
    https://www.operationsophia.eu/about-us/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    People may have been seen as the main focus but Op Sophia also contributed to enforcing the UN arms embargo (since 2016) and oil embargo (since 2017)
    https://www.operationsophia.eu/about-us/
    I take your point that there was a UN ARMS EMBARGO but few, and not the Irish ships were directly involved in military intervention to seize or stop arms smuggling. The EU describe OP IRINI as a new oeration to enforce the UN Arms Embargo . It is possible that surveillance and info for other assets at the hard edge were being passed on. This will be a direct intervention by EUFORMED.

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    UN Arms Embargo, what embargo? It might have been agreed in New York but in reality it means nothing and no-one is going to enforce it. The only thing will be some dressing to say "look we are enforcing an arms embargo".

    Jan 2020: French carrier CdG spotted a Turkish cargo ship delivering armoured vehicles to Tripoli, it was escorted by a Turkish frigate; action taken: NONE
    Mar 2020: Another shipment of armoured vehicles to Tripoli from Turkey and this time to make sure no-one stopped them it was escorted by 2 Turkish frigates; action taken: NONE

    I am all for enforcing an arm embargo in order to force a political solution to the problems of Libya, but then everyone have to face the consequences. Those breaking the arms embargo are not some back-street eastern European arms dealer, they are states that are shipping the illegal arms. If Turkey continues to ship arms escorted by warships then any warship that tries to halt that shipment must be prepared for the use of deadly force if necessary. But the Italians are never going to do that as it suits them to have Turkey supply arms to Libya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    UN Arms Embargo, what embargo? It might have been agreed in New York but in reality it means nothing and no-one is going to enforce it. The only thing will be some dressing to say "look we are enforcing an arms embargo".

    Jan 2020: French carrier CdG spotted a Turkish cargo ship delivering armoured vehicles to Tripoli, it was escorted by a Turkish frigate; action taken: NONE
    Mar 2020: Another shipment of armoured vehicles to Tripoli from Turkey and this time to make sure no-one stopped them it was escorted by 2 Turkish frigates; action taken: NONE

    I am all for enforcing an arm embargo in order to force a political solution to the problems of Libya, but then everyone have to face the consequences. Those breaking the arms embargo are not some back-street eastern European arms dealer, they are states that are shipping the illegal arms. If Turkey continues to ship arms escorted by warships then any warship that tries to halt that shipment must be prepared for the use of deadly force if necessary. But the Italians are never going to do that as it suits them to have Turkey supply arms to Libya.
    There you go. Afaik it was a Security Council decision which includes Russia and others. Russian interests are supplying stuff to Hafter. The members of the SC should put together the force to enforce Their embargo and call the Turk intervention out. The Turks have become very Asian in the last year over refugees which has led to a worsening humanitarian crisis on European borders. Conceding challenges to UN embargoes makes it more difficult to intervene.

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