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  • Given the number of ships tied up, I presume that Ireland won’t be providing any input?
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
      Given the number of ships tied up, I presume that Ireland won’t be providing any input?
      I doubt it, but given the reaction by some to the patrols ending, maybe if the Navy wanted to try promote the service again.

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      • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
        Given the number of ships tied up, I presume that Ireland won’t be providing any input?
        Overseas trips is good for retention.

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        • Once you have the crews to cover current operational requirements.
          It's catch 22. It all started to go wrong though when those on the previous med Op were not getting full overseas, even though they were in as much risk as many of those who were.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
            Once you have the crews to cover current operational requirements.
            It's catch 22. It all started to go wrong though when those on the previous med Op were not getting full overseas, even though they were in as much risk as many of those who were.

            If you are talking about the allowance that is incorrect.

            The claim for overseas armed was conceded by the DOD, and all Operation Pontus missions received overseas armed backdated back to the first mission by P31.

            All Operation Sophia missions received full Overseas Armed allowance from the start.

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            • Do you not concede that the decision by DoD to argue the case insisting the op didnt qualify for full overseas allowances was not exactly fantastic for morale, while the crews did their best to pull as many as possible from unsuitable vessels, putting their own lives at risk while doing so.
              Or was everyone just tickety boo with the status quo?
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                Do you not concede that the decision by DoD to argue the case insisting the op didnt qualify for full overseas allowances was not exactly fantastic for morale, while the crews did their best to pull as many as possible from unsuitable vessels, putting their own lives at risk while doing so.
                Or was everyone just tickety boo with the status quo?
                Absolutely i do.

                I served on Op Pontus so i know exactly what we did.

                Overseas Unarmed was paid at first, but the dept concealed the armed eventually.

                Overseas unarmed was a lot more than we earned for normal PDA.

                The Dept had to concede the armed eventually.

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                • So you agree with me.
                  DoD tried to stiff the crews out of full overseas, morale was in the toilet, and eventually the DoD agreed to pay up, by which time, many who had done the trip had already made their plans to leave, most of whom were senior rates with 15 years or so experience, and a civvy street crying out for their expertise at more guaranteed than what the DF was offering, or even proposing, should the DoD give in..
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • DoD tried to block Op Pontus in the first place (after An Taoiseach said it was happening). And it wasn’t on cost, operations at home grounds etc

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                    • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      DoD tried to block Op Pontus in the first place (after An Taoiseach said it was happening). And it wasn’t on cost, operations at home grounds etc
                      If Naval assets are requested then we should act positively in favour of the EU intentions. If we go all insular then we lose the benefit of working in an all Naval environment and the build up of expertise within crews and HQ's. There is probably ways and means of off setting costs within EU budgets. In regard to obligations at home, if all newer ships are kept operational, then home waters will be covered. Recent and potential happenings show a complete lack of knowledge in Maritime affairs and the potential for the unexpected to happen without adequate foreknowledge. It is obviously a Government decision to approve external deployments but Departmental raison d'etre to advise against may be because they don't want the Administrative hassle. The crucial question is what is the Government Policy on EU Membership??

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                      • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                        If Naval assets are requested then we should act positively in favour of the EU intentions. If we go all insular then we lose the benefit of working in an all Naval environment and the build up of expertise within crews and HQ's. There is probably ways and means of off setting costs within EU budgets. In regard to obligations at home, if all newer ships are kept operational, then home waters will be covered. Recent and potential happenings show a complete lack of knowledge in Maritime affairs and the potential for the unexpected to happen without adequate foreknowledge. It is obviously a Government decision to approve external deployments but Departmental raison d'etre to advise against may be because they don't want the Administrative hassle. The crucial question is what is the Government Policy on EU Membership??
                        Pontus wasn’t an EU tasking it was an Irish Government tasking to the NS

                        DoD tried to block it

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                        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          Pontus wasn’t an EU tasking it was an Irish Government tasking to the NS

                          DoD tried to block it
                          It was at least a bilateral agreement between the Italian and Irish Governments and eventually morphed into a pan EU Operation Sophia. There were inputs in PONTUS from other countries including the Brits.

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                          • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                            It was at least a bilateral agreement between the Italian and Irish Governments and eventually morphed into a pan EU Operation Sophia. There were inputs in PONTUS from other countries including the Brits.
                            Enda announced immediately after an EU Council meeting to RTE that he was going to send a NS vesssl to the Med in what became OP PONTUS (you rightly say there was a bilateral agreement with Italy)

                            DoD attempted to block it after that announcement

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                            • Timely clip from DFPO.
                              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                              • Op Sophia ends today.
                                Op Irini (Greek for Peace) begins tomorrow.
                                IRINI, (Greek for "peace"), will have as its core task the implementation of the UN arms embargo through the use of aerial, satellite and maritime assets. In particular the mission will be able to carry out inspections of vessels on the high seas off the coast of Libya suspected to be carrying arms or related material to and from Libya in accordance with United Nations Security Council Resolution 2292 (2016).
                                As secondary tasks, EUNAVFOR MED IRINI will also:
                                monitor and gather information on illicit exports from Libya of petroleum, crude oil and refined petroleum products
                                contribute to the capacity building and training of the Libyan Coast Guard and Navy in law enforcement tasks at sea
                                contribute to the disruption of the business model of human smuggling and trafficking networks through information gathering and patrolling by planes
                                IRINI will be led by Rear Admiral Fabio Agostini as EU Operation Commander, and its headquarters will be located in Rome, Italy.
                                The mandate of Operation IRINI will initially last until 31 March 2021, and will be under the close scrutiny of EU Member States, that will exercise political control and strategic direction through the Political and Security Committee (PSC), under the responsibility of the Council and the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.
                                In parallel with the launch of Operation IRINI, the existing EUNAVFOR MED operation in the Mediterranean, SOPHIA, will permanently cease its activities.
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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