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  • PDA is not pensionable.

    PDA is worth just less than €21 a day to most people.

    OPSA (Armed) is €21 a day.

    All three allowances should be paid OSPA (Unarmed) & (Armed) and Patrol Duty Allowance.

    That would make for €57 + €21 + €21 per diem for a senior rate.

    €99 a day after tax but the figure the dept would work off would be €125 per day because of the PDA

    Thats not going to happen.

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    • Are the Med ops consIdered patrols?,hardly likely to be considerd cruises given the nature of the op.

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      • Originally posted by Toolbox View Post
        PDA is not pensionable.

        PDA is worth just less than €21 a day to most people.

        OPSA (Armed) is €21 a day.

        All three allowances should be paid OSPA (Unarmed) & (Armed) and Patrol Duty Allowance.

        That would make for €57 + €21 + €21 per diem for a senior rate.

        €99 a day after tax but the figure the dept would work off would be €125 per day because of the PDA

        Thats not going to happen.


        PDA €43.20
        OPSA €55.14
        OAPSA €21.22

        Say for arguments sake the various deductions reduce it by 50% - that is over an extra €400 a week !!

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        • Let's put this in perspective , Who fancies doing a 24 hr guard duty everyday for nearly three months .
          Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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          • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
            I agree on PDA/SGA. I,m nearly certain it formed part of Naval pensionable pay?
            Allowances are non contributory towards pension in the public/civil service

            All three allowances should be paid OSPA (Unarmed) & (Armed) and Patrol Duty Allowance.
            For it is written that you will only receive one allowance on any given shift and it shall be the higher of any applicable.

            If they get paid two allowances while carrying out the same duty, the back lash throughout the public/civil service could be huge.

            Are the Med ops consIdered patrols?,hardly likely to be considered cruises given the nature of the op
            .

            You pass Roches point with the intention of carrying out maritime related duties PDA has always been paid.

            However there is a precedent going back to 1987 ,operation Mallard where we were paid a hazardous duty allowance on top of PDA for the Island boarding we carried out.

            I wonder was this brought to anyones attention. All someone has to do is show a precedent was set and it can be paid.
            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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            • That only one allowance payable at a time is nonsense and not factual.

              Every person currently serving gets multiple allowances every pay check.

              Every person currently on an UN or EU mission is receipt of two allowances every week.

              Armed and Unarmed allowances are two separate payments.

              My figures above are correct PDA is taxed the rest are taxed free.

              These crew members are been paid €385 extra a week approx.

              They should be getting €532 extra like all their armed comrades.

              And the fact they are at sea doing it should IMHO make that payment €679 extra a week.

              These are missions not patrols.
              These are missions not cruises.

              "OP PONTUS" is the Defence Forces title for this mission bty.

              If you can get armed allowance for been an observer in the western Sahara then these people should get it for "OP PONTUS"
              Last edited by Toolbox; 21 August 2015, 23:34.

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              • Forces channel tonight 9.30pm HMS Bulwark's time in the Med.

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                • L.E. Niamh has departed Valetta harbour this AM. AIS shows her underweigh.

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                  • L.E. Niamh has completed the rescue of 225 Migrants, North East of Tripoli, under the direction of Italian Authorities, from two inflatable craft. The break down was 139 Males, 74 Females, and 12 children. Details on RTE breaking News.
                    Last edited by ancientmariner; 23 August 2015, 13:37. Reason: error

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                    • There are some informative pictures of last nights 22nd/23rdAugust rescues on NS Facebook page. Started 1940hrs LT with all first boat migrants recovered around 2359hhrs. They then commenced to recover from a second migrant laden craft which must have continued for another 4 hrs. It looks very intense for the crew. Well done to all on board. Great solid work! BZ.

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                      • LÉ Niamh to track sea wave activity for research project

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                        • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                          LÉ Niamh to track sea wave activity for research project

                          http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irela...ject-1.2326171
                          All very interesting for the researchers, analysing real time data. Naval ships are generally not linear in track or intentions when patrolling. Interpreting sea effects on hulls is useful if it leads to better hull design and wave piercing capabilities. This in turn needs Naval Architects and ship designers to be interested in the data.
                          Some projects are esoteric such as the Kite flying project. Large kites will need large and rapid recovery equipment and overcome emergency recovery stresses in sudden squalls. I'm not convinced that it is a 24/7 utility for any ship.

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                          • I don't think anyone is suggesting a 24/7 solely wind powered commercial vessel like a container ship or bulk carrier

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                            • L.E. Niamh has picked up 551 migrants from a craft with about 700 persons on board. Other ships aided in the mass recovery. Given the capacity of the RHIB's on standard ships the ferry sequence must have been long and arduous. Those taken on board our vessel included 167 women and children and 384 males. We are seeing whole families on the move. I wonder is the projected end of the Irish Mission date of 2nd October a big ask for Niamh on station since mid-July? Perhaps a relief mid-September to allow for operational overrun in October.
                              Last edited by ancientmariner; 27 August 2015, 10:08. Reason: deletion

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                              • Sorry. Today's papers indicate a relief for L.E.Niamh in September, being relieved by L.E.Samuel Beckett. Mission to end in December.

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