Irish Naval Mediterranean EU rescue patrols

[ancientmariner]

L.E. Niamh is currently in TRAPANI Sicily inner harbour today 27th August 2015

[Sluggie]

I wonder if this **** was one of our temporary guests?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11834743/Murder-of-elderly-couple-in-Sicily-fuels-Italys-growing-anti-immigrant-sentiment.html

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Italy’s simmering anti-immigrant sentiment has been stoked by the murder of an elderly couple in their home in Sicily, allegedly by an African asylum seeker.


Mamadou Kamara, an 18-year-old from the Ivory Coast, allegedly slit the throat of Vincenzo Solano, 68, and then attacked his Spanish-born wife, Mercedes Ibanez, 70.


Ms Ibanez fell to her death from a second-floor balcony, during a robbery that turned violent.


Mr Kamara is one of thousands of migrants and refugees living at a vast reception centre at nearby Mineo, in south-eastern Sicily.


They are accommodated there after arriving by boat from Libya, and wait sometimes for months to have their asylum applications assessed.


The migrants are allowed to come and go freely from the facility, a former US military base where prostitution, links with organised crime and the trade in illicit goods is said to be rife.

Mr Kamara, who was rescued in the Mediterranean on June 8 and brought with other migrants to the port of Catania in Sicily, allegedly broke into the pensioners’ flat in the village of Palagonia, six miles away, and slit the throat of Mr Solano.

The elderly man’s wife was found dead in the courtyard of their three-storey apartment block. Investigators believe she may have fallen over the balcony in panic after trying to flee the attacker.

Mr Kamara was arrested after police searched his bag on Sunday as he returned to the migrant centre.

Inside they found a mobile telephone, a laptop computer, a video camera and a pair of trousers, allegedly belonging to Mr Solano, that were covered in blood.

The young African man claimed to have “found” the items, but police arrested him and are expected to charge him with two counts of murder.
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[HavocIRL]

I wonder if this **** was one of our temporary guests?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11834743/Murder-of-elderly-couple-in-Sicily-fuels-Italys-growing-anti-immigrant-sentiment.html

[QUOTE
Italy’s simmering anti-immigrant sentiment has been stoked by the murder of an elderly couple in their home in Sicily, allegedly by an African asylum seeker.


Mamadou Kamara, an 18-year-old from the Ivory Coast, allegedly slit the throat of Vincenzo Solano, 68, and then attacked his Spanish-born wife, Mercedes Ibanez, 70.


Ms Ibanez fell to her death from a second-floor balcony, during a robbery that turned violent.


Mr Kamara is one of thousands of migrants and refugees living at a vast reception centre at nearby Mineo, in south-eastern Sicily.


They are accommodated there after arriving by boat from Libya, and wait sometimes for months to have their asylum applications assessed.


The migrants are allowed to come and go freely from the facility, a former US military base where prostitution, links with organised crime and the trade in illicit goods is said to be rife.

Mr Kamara, who was rescued in the Mediterranean on June 8 and brought with other migrants to the port of Catania in Sicily, allegedly broke into the pensioners’ flat in the village of Palagonia, six miles away, and slit the throat of Mr Solano.

The elderly man’s wife was found dead in the courtyard of their three-storey apartment block. Investigators believe she may have fallen over the balcony in panic after trying to flee the attacker.

Mr Kamara was arrested after police searched his bag on Sunday as he returned to the migrant centre.

Inside they found a mobile telephone, a laptop computer, a video camera and a pair of trousers, allegedly belonging to Mr Solano, that were covered in blood.

The young African man claimed to have “found” the items, but police arrested him and are expected to charge him with two counts of murder.
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Watch how quickly this will be spun into 'If only his asylum request had been processed through quicker he wouldn't have had to resort to robbery and murder etc'

[Flamingo]

Watch how quickly this will be spun into 'If only his asylum request had been processed through quicker he wouldn't have had to resort to robbery and murder etc'

Or "If he'd been left to drown it never would have happened".

According to http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...ory-coast.html, the only realistic reason to claim asylum from Ivory Coast is FGM or Gay. I wonder which applies in this case?

[HavocIRL]

Or "If he'd been left to drown it never would have happened".

According to http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...ory-coast.html, the only realistic reason to claim asylum from Ivory Coast is FGM or Gay. I wonder which applies in this case?

Or rather, if the EU adopted a proper hardline, effective policy that picked these boats up, arrested the traffickers and returned the rest to their point of departure.

I'm all for helping people in need but the current policy on this situation is ironically causing more deaths....

The Australian example is one that should be looked at, modified to suit and adopted if we want to deal with this effectively and safely.

[Medsailor]

Or rather, if the EU adopted a proper hardline, effective policy that picked these boats up, arrested the traffickers and returned the rest to their point of departure.

I'm all for helping people in need but the current policy on this situation is ironically causing more deaths....

The Australian example is one that should be looked at, modified to suit and adopted if we want to deal with this effectively and safely.

Unfortunately for too many years that line of reasoning was shot down at EU level by the Austrians, Germans, Swedish et al. Now, perhaps, with a few thousand persons rolling up on their doorsteps every day, they may finally appreciate that their citizens have rights that also need protecting.

[na grohmiti]

They need to be processed at point of entry, fingerprinted and entered on the European immigration system. No exceptions. At least you know where they came from then.

[Banner]

Radical solution re Migrant crises.

Hi All

My tuppence worth on this one.

The EU needs to assemble a massive stabilization force (A peace Corps if you will) complete with a massive and overwhelming security component, massive medical infrastructure and a collaboration of aid agencies and drop it into Libya with a very simple mission objective.

Create the conditions for a stable, popularly supported, democratic government. Hold elections, remain in place for perhaps 6 to 12 months post elections to get the new Govt up and running and then move on to the next failed state.

It would need to be looked at in detail of course to determine what level of scale would be required but I would imagine at least a 2 division (6 to 7 brigade) footprint would be required. More important than the security element of course is the “country rebuilding” element, including emergency medical and food aid. Civil engineering facilities, Police and all the other basics of a State.

I know the political will for this simply doesn’t exist but that might actually change if hundreds of thousands of migrants keep literally killing themselves to get into Europe.

Obviously this will require enormous public relations commitments to assure the world that this IS NOT Iraq the sequel. This has to be state building with no hidden agendas. The EU doing the right thing to help citizens in the country in question (Libya) and as a by product the EU itself. Safe, prosperous states on the fringes of Europe are in everyones interest. It’s up to the EU to make this happen because you ca be certain the yanks wont be putting boots on the ground anytime soon.

If Libya works then rinse and repeat in other similarly affected parts of the world. Eventually a wider coalition would be required to tackle ISIS but baby steps first…

[DeV]

Radical solution re Migrant crises.

Hi All

My tuppence worth on this one.

The EU needs to assemble a massive stabilization force (A peace Corps if you will) complete with a massive and overwhelming security component, massive medical infrastructure and a collaboration of aid agencies and drop it into Libya with a very simple mission objective.

Create the conditions for a stable, popularly supported, democratic government. Hold elections, remain in place for perhaps 6 to 12 months post elections to get the new Govt up and running and then move on to the next failed state.

It would need to be looked at in detail of course to determine what level of scale would be required but I would imagine at least a 2 division (6 to 7 brigade) footprint would be required. More important than the security element of course is the “country rebuilding” element, including emergency medical and food aid. Civil engineering facilities, Police and all the other basics of a State.

I know the political will for this simply doesn’t exist but that might actually change if hundreds of thousands of migrants keep literally killing themselves to get into Europe.

Obviously this will require enormous public relations commitments to assure the world that this IS NOT Iraq the sequel. This has to be state building with no hidden agendas. The EU doing the right thing to help citizens in the country in question (Libya) and as a by product the EU itself. Safe, prosperous states on the fringes of Europe are in everyones interest. It’s up to the EU to make this happen because you ca be certain the yanks wont be putting boots on the ground anytime soon.

If Libya works then rinse and repeat in other similarly affected parts of the world. Eventually a wider coalition would be required to tackle ISIS but baby steps first…

For which country?

Libya is probably a semi-failed state so the EU & NATO should fix what they helped break

Syria is the nation supplying most of the refugees (and they are legit).

Wasn't there 4 divisions in Kosovo at the start of KFOR? 2 would be a drop in the ocean

[Turkey]

This is getting a bit political again, not really the Navy's department, try and keep it relevant to the NS.

[Medsailor]

This is getting a bit political again, not really the Navy's department, try and keep it relevant to the NS.

Apologies to the Moderator, you're probably right. The only problem is that this is a clear case of the strategic corporal to the nth degree. Every operational, even tactical decision that the NS or any other operator makes is subjected to immediate political scrutiny and comment by every Tom, Dick and Harry. I would argue that a bit of bottom-up discussion is fair game in the circumstances but I'll defer to your advice.

[Banner]

Or alternatively just split the thread. Set up a new Thread on "What to do about the migrant crises"???????

[DeV]

The Minister said today that he will bring proposals for another NS rotation to Cabinet

[ancientmariner]

I suppose we mustn't lose perspective on incidents under the Rule that one swallow doesn't make a Summer. It is good that the Irish Navy are there to make their rescues as directed and must continue to do so until the humanitarian crisis has passed. The fall out for the Irish Navy may be Fleet replacements of considerable versatility and for use on such missions both peaceful and deterrent.

[Sparky42]

Confirmed today, Beckett is going to replace Niamh until the end of November...

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-navys-mediterranean-mission-extended-693983.html