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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostWonder whose side scan is in use. Is it with divers or generally with the ship. The quality of sonar is critical as it is in the littoral areas that submarines will hunt or wait.
There were also trials from the SB early on in its career.
But remember SSS is for mainly for mapping of the sea bed, for tracking a submarine either an active or passive ASW sonar would be required.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View Posthttps://www.facebook.com/irishnavals...9377201145165/
There were also trials from the SB early on in its career.
But remember SSS is for mainly for mapping of the sea bed, for tracking a submarine either an active or passive ASW sonar would be required.
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The UK thinking is that hydrographic survey and mine clearance go hand in hand. Interesting.
.@ATLAS_AEUK has delivered the first of the 15-metre workboats to the RN
— NavyLookout (@NavyLookout) September 16, 2020
To be named RNMB HEBE and be employed on 'Project Wilton’ developing RN Mine Countermeasures & Hydrographic Capability (MCH)https://t.co/dXOxoLjUjQ pic.twitter.com/Vr8HE53vAGFor now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostThe UK thinking is that hydrographic survey and mine clearance go hand in hand. Interesting.
.@ATLAS_AEUK has delivered the first of the 15-metre workboats to the RN
— NavyLookout (@NavyLookout) September 16, 2020
To be named RNMB HEBE and be employed on 'Project Wilton’ developing RN Mine Countermeasures & Hydrographic Capability (MCH)https://t.co/dXOxoLjUjQ pic.twitter.com/Vr8HE53vAG
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The Marine Institute is also getting a new vessel to replace their smaller vessel
If we were in a different place, the NS could be doing some of this work, more work with Enterprise Ireland, NMCI etc and/or have some personnel seconded to the Marine Institute, Irish Lights etc
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Originally posted by DeV View PostThe Marine Institute is also getting a new vessel to replace their smaller vessel
If we were in a different place, the NS could be doing some of this work, more work with Enterprise Ireland, NMCI etc and/or have some personnel seconded to the Marine Institute, Irish Lights etc
The NS has a lot of work to do that is at the moment undone. Let us concentrate on shortfalls.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThe Naval service already has a high permanent input into the day to day running of NMCI for the benefit of all and Naval Students in particular.We must NOT seem to be part of any other civilian organisation or develop an on call obligation into their functions. Our Defence obligations over time have become smudged by type of vessel chosen and their outfits. We must refit our capabilities to return to the Days of ASW, AA Defence, and MCM aspects. We need, additionally smaller training craft to upskill all those who will handle Main Fleet vessels. Hydrography is a specialised trade with large cartography Department producing Charts, Lists of Lights, Pilotage Books, Tide Tables, Chart Corrections, and have ships at sea collecting data in real time. It is a tough demanding trade, I was liaison officer to an RN unit charting approaches to Burtonport. They had two survey launches 4 Officers and about 10 NCO's and men, a rented storeroom and chart room, and blocked booked guest house , where I also stayed. It took them about 3 months.
The NS has a lot of work to do that is at the moment undone. Let us concentrate on shortfalls.
It broadens horizons, encourages innovation and reduces group think.
I’m not saying that the NS should take over the role. Just co-operate
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The NS hasn’t got the crews to do its existing job, without looking for new roles...'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThe Naval service already has a high permanent input into the day to day running of NMCI for the benefit of all and Naval Students in particular.We must NOT seem to be part of any other civilian organisation or develop an on call obligation into their functions. Our Defence obligations over time have become smudged by type of vessel chosen and their outfits. We must refit our capabilities to return to the Days of ASW, AA Defence, and MCM aspects. We need, additionally smaller training craft to upskill all those who will handle Main Fleet vessels. Hydrography is a specialised trade with large cartography Department producing Charts, Lists of Lights, Pilotage Books, Tide Tables, Chart Corrections, and have ships at sea collecting data in real time. It is a tough demanding trade, I was liaison officer to an RN unit charting approaches to Burtonport. They had two survey launches 4 Officers and about 10 NCO's and men, a rented storeroom and chart room, and blocked booked guest house , where I also stayed. It took them about 3 months.
The NS has a lot of work to do that is at the moment undone. Let us concentrate on shortfalls.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostTotally agree, the Defence Forces by definition should be first and foremost a military force. The Naval Service should be resourced with equipment and manpower to provide for the defence of the state in the marine environment. Hydrography was for many years a military task as naval charts were considered Top Secret, the same way OS maps and weather were also in the hands of the military. The NS should first and foremost be capable of performing the necessary military functions, ASuV, ASW, AAW, MCM as well as secondary functions such as Fishery Protection.
I’m suggesting increasing co-operation on related areas
Look at the exposure and investment that NMCI, the work with MERC3, engagement with industry, EDA etc has brought to the NS for relatively resource input to the NS
If the DF and Defence aren’t seen as relevant by the wider community we will remain at the bottom of the pile for finance.
How could IM be relevant to NS ops... say a seabed survey in the surrounding areas of subsea cablesLast edited by DeV; 17 September 2020, 11:20.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostThey are only following the colonials, the RAN with SEA-1180 is currently replacing patrol, MCM and hydrographics vessels with an OPV carrying different mission modules. But the question must be asked is hydrographics a military function today?
There is an alignment with what the Colonials and their northern hemisphere partners do in terms of marine geomatics and littoral warfare in their respective Defence Forces with what their respective spinoff GEOINT agencies do. Of which MARINT is obviously an important aspect. Yes SEA-1180 is an example of a platform agnostic approach to generating or acting on MARINT product.
Originally posted by EUFighter View PostWe have the Marine Institute (Foras na Mara) which is well capable of carrying out surveys! The NS should hunt mines and the MI should do mapping.
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This is a very important insight into the inner working of Government with regard to Defence (and in general how it works) by someone who has been at the tables:
And it works accord all sectors of defence policy
Apart from the areas I already mentioned, it is a reason why for example there was the Employment Support Scheme. The DF has to make itself relevant cross-Government and to the wider community if it wants money.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostThis is a very important insight into the inner working of Government with regard to Defence (and in general how it works) by someone who has been at the tables:
And it works accord all sectors of defence policy
Apart from the areas I already mentioned, it is a reason why for example there was the Employment Support Scheme. The DF has to make itself relevant cross-Government and to the wider community if it wants money.
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